These are legitimate degrees, but the Kiev University of Physical Science and Sport is well.... a big joke. I can't be 100% sure about now, as I left Kiev over a decade ago, but I doubt that it has changed much since those days. Basically, the Kiev University of Physical Science and Sport was/is a school that automatically admits all athletes who have made at least some decent achievements in their respective sport. The old Soviet sports achievements hierarchy was as follows (still holds true these days in Russia, Ukraine, etc): Junior Level III Junior Level II Junior Level I Level III - lowest level (participants in small local competitions, etc.) Level II Level I (participants of city championships, region championships, etc.) Master of Sport Candidate (this would guarantee an automatic admission to the above mentioned university) Master of Sport (highest level one could achieve without making it to the national team, major soccer/hockey clubs, etc) International Master of Sport (basically Masters of Sport who constantly participated in international competitions) Honorary Master of Sport (Olympic champs, world champs, euro champs, long time national team members) So, there was no much studying in that school, if any at all. And I can talk only about the Master of Sport Candidate level, as I had a few of them as my classmates in high school. So, if they weren't doing much studying there, you can only imagine how much leeway worldwide famous athletes would get
How is it an insult to boxing to question the legitamacy of a boxers academic qualifications. It is quite plausible that a professional fighter could also be a highly qualified academic however just because it is possible does not mean it is true. The reason I asked the question was I live in Britain where it is quite common for Sportsmen,Actors,politicians and many other high profile professions are awarded honorary degrees or doctorates by universities. Given that the Klitschkos are obviously high profile sportsmen I was curious whether this might be the case. I personally believe they are genuine because to parade their doctorates in the manner that they do would be shameful if they were honorary. As stated in a previous post it would take 6 or 7 years of study to achieve a PHD to manage this whilst also competing at a very high level in any sport is very impressive and I have no reason to believe this is not the case. I merely started the thread hoping someone might provide clarification on this issue.
If you know anything about either discipline you would know that this isn't the case. You very much have a simplistic view of both.
Thank you for posting this. I think it was always pretty obvious given that they were active boxers during this time that they couldn't be spending much time on their studies, but without being able to speak the language it was nearly impossible to figure anything out about their degrees. I know that they've both written dissertations, but they sounded pretty silly. I also remember reading an analysis of some of their (Klitschko and Lewis) chess games that boiled down to them being mediocre players at best. **** it, though. They're world class boxers and that's better than anything I've ever done.
What is your degree in which makes these such ****** subject i can assure you that to complete a degree in either of these subjects it takes much more work than memorizing passages from books
No it doesn't if you know how to string coherent sentences together with decent(ish) grammar, any ****** can do a degree in these subjects. A 2/2 at the very least, 70% of the adult pop could prob get a 2/2 in one of these subjects.
You didn't answer the question what is your degree in and what background knowledge or experience do u have in either to make such a presumption??
I was only saying it was an insult to the sport, because the general concensus seems to be immediate doubt and ridicule that ANY boxer could achieve such a high level of education. I wasn't speaking about the Klits specifically, but rather referenced boxers as a whole.
I would say that being as sociology is largely made up of all three of those subjects as well as other things aren't you saying the same of your own disciplines. Anybody can discredit the relevance or the legitimacy of a subject but unless you can say "I did my degree in that, completed it, got a good grade from it, at a good university, and then did a much more difficult subject which in the grand scheme of things help me much more" you shouldn't discredit disciplines like Sociology and Psychology. Any ****** can read a book on events past events i would say that those subjects are made up more of ****** work than any of the Ologies mentioned.