Klitschko should have been disqualified against Povetkin?

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    Perhaps the worst fight in history, Klitschko hangs on even more than Ali against Frazier in the comeback fight. As a reminder Luis Pabon had waited for the 11th round to withdraw a point from Klitschko.
     
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    The referee should have done his job, that's all. Warn for holding and then deduct points.

    I feel the same about a lot of Hopkins' fights and Ali and Johnson and Ward ... and ... holding ruins boxing. But if Wlad needed to be DQ'd then so do a lot of other boxers through time.

    Klitschko would very likely have beaten Povetkin anyway, but allowing him to grab and hold like that was an 'easy money' card.
     
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    It was a shirtshow, but like @BCS8 mentioned it's on the referee for the most part.
    Pretty sure if the referee did his job, Wlad would stop pulling an Ali as you so aptly mentioned, and be wary of getting disqualified.
     
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    I wish holding was punished much more severely in boxing.

    It should be a last resort, like you've taken that many punches you're holding on for dear life.

    1 warning, 1 deduction. Every round.

    If a boxer is choosing to grab rather than punch then something must be going wrong.

    Wlad is a great champ, one of the very best in history, but some of his fights are so bad to watch.
     
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    That performance exposed his true level. Take those huggle tactics away and he's the same guy who got blown away by Brewster.

    Its like when John Ruiz wasn't allowed to maul and molest Roy Jones Jr. It exposed how much of his success relied on those illegal tactics.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The problem is , some guys have favorable judges , other guys like Wlad had favorable refs.
     
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    Nah, once the referee has instructed him not to hold he presumably wouldn't hold.

    Posters posting on forums years after the fight have nothing to do with the DQ of the fighter.

    The referee enforces the rules (or otherwise). Wlad did absolutely right. Hold if it's to your benefit and the referee allows it. For what should have happened, see Lewis-Tyson, and note Lewis goes out of his way not to blatantly hold after he is warned.
     
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    The referee did do his job. That's what he was paid to do, clearly.
     
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    Except the referee did not enforce the rules , blatantly. Do you support the officiating in Ottke vs Reid?
     
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    Yes, this is why I wrote "or otherwise".

    No, I don't support bad officiating. How you could deduce this from the post you quoted is beyond me.

    I thought I made it absolutely clear, but here it is in even simpler language:

    Calling for Wlad's disqualification now is ridiculous. Wladimir's behavior is defined by his interactions with the referee, who is the only person in the entirety of space-time capable of executing a disqualification.
     
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    I'd love, probably even more than you, if he'd have had to spend his career not being able to hold, having to fight on the inside.

    Not just Wlad, but many others like Hopkins, Ward, Abril etc... I hate that style.
     
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    It's not as simple as saying he should have been DQd, because with more stringent officiating, more deductions, more consistency, this fighting style wouldn't continue.
     
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    Wladimir is responsible for his own actions. Pabon merely allowed Wladimir execute the strategy he prepared for in training camp.
     
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    I think fighting in and out of the clinch is ok as long as you are working in some capacity.
     
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