Klitschko vs Haye

Who are they going to fool with the rematch?

 

I agree with all of that, bold parts especially.

Wlads huge size is his main advantage but he only ever uses it as defence which is very frustrating and makes for a very boring fight.

The Klits have been very lucky there hasn't been another good big man around, otherwise they'd be in trouble.

 

I think wlad deserves way more credit than he is getting now, if he had losthis legacy would suffer big time, now that he has won people act like haye is a hypejob.
wlad outboxed haye and had a good win unifying belts yet people wanted some mma type quick ko.
Also vitali took the lewis fight on 10 days notice, lennox opponent pulled out.

 

And I actually give Haye credit in that sense, cause as strange as it sounds to say, he kinda showed he belonged imo, even though he didn't win, as he was able to make Wlad miss so consistently and almost neutralize the effectiveness of his jab somewhat.

That fight was more of a shadow Boxing match than an actual prizefight, it just so happened whilst Wlad wasn't landing that much, he had a momentum going foward, he was dictating the kind of fight it was gonna be, so probably got the benefit the doubt on the cards.

 

Totally agree with size an weight advantage Klit had. But it's not like it's a secret, Haye knew what he was getting into. Coulda formulated a better plan to try an counter this.

Overall a really a bad fight from both fighters, bad for boxing, such a shame. Best man won.

 

I did think Wlad's combined advantages of size + natural weight + a decent level of skill = Haye just didn't have a chance. (now with hindsight, because I thought Haye might win)

But just look how competitive Evander Holyfield was with similar sized guys from this superheavyweight generation. And look at his fights with Bowe and Lewis, both whom are huge guys & I think are betters boxers than either Klitschkos. Evander made those fights very competitive, despite his own size disadvantages - he even manged to jab the bigger guys heads off at times - did Haye even use his jab?. I just don't think Haye has the ring craft, courage & confidence (at heavyweight) to do what he said he would.

 

From a Haye perspective I thought his offensive tactics were all wrong, Wlad was stepping back or blocking all the straight and overhand right power shots bar 1 or 2. where was this adaptability we were promised? It was clear after about 5 rounds Haye needed to come up with something different but he and Booth didnt seem to have a clue how to deal with wlads size and speed...

If Haye had commited more and stayed in range longer with Wlad i thought the uppercuts and hooks were there for him rather than the straight rights and overhands which were all just being deflected by Wlads left arm.

The only positive for Haye was his decent defense (coped with Wlads offence better than most) and he showed he could take a decent shot.

The toe excuse was a load of bollocks, although i have no doubt he had a broken toe he shouldnt have mentioned it as it had no relevance on the outcome of the fight :deal

 

So what do you think haye could have done to win this fight gooners?
I thought haye did wellill round 7 I had wlad leading the gave haye 2 of the early rounds, round 1 and 7 equal the rest to wlad, after that he dominated haye till round 12 winning clearly.
I do give haye credit for taking some of thos epunches especially one monster right hand I thought it was in round 5 when he nearly went down.

 

Agreed.

A poor choice from Haye.

 

Size was what it came down to in the end. Klits got a very fast jab, and it would take an exceptional smaller fighter to get around it and land decent shots. Either that or a decent fighter the same size as him or bigger.

Haye did what he could have and took quite a few risks (some of his punches were swinging really wild), but he could never really get inside. His plan was to work him up in the prefight to try to get Wlad to fight more agressively. But he didn't get drawn into it.

 

Excellent thread and agree with most of the comments. The size difference is the main obstacle most fighters have faced with the k's, is there a reason they haven't fought anyone as big as Lennox since that loss ?.

Pure speculation but is it fair to say their technique and style seems predicated on the premise that they will never since that loss face another fighter of similar build and ability ? They seem to do certain things excellently rather than do everything averagely, in this case a jab and straight right.

Also slightly off topic but i saw rocky 4 again the other day and the 1st thing i thought of when i watched the fight last night was how exactly k mimicked ivan drago when he fought apollo creed, most amusing.

 

Agree with your breakdown. My two main points are this:

-Haye wasn't wrong in looking for the money shot, but didn't do enough to get it. He should have been much more aggressive in the championship rounds.

-Wlad pulled off his UD well, as he always does. But I was a bit disappointed at his unwillingness to throw the straight right more, especially during the last 4 rounds. He spent too long waiting for an opening (that wasn't going to come). He could have finished this in style, but I don't blame him for taking the safe route to victory.

 

Haye is an outfighter with no inside game and no accuracy at midrange.. he has pretty much nothing in common with Holyfield skillwise.
trying to catch Wlad with something huge from the outside is like filling lottery ticket.. totally pointless
Wlad cut Haye off right after the opening bell and by then the fight was pretty much over as Haye had zero intention to get close and Wlad didn´t give him the space he needs to operate. Haye gave up and Wlad was pleased with just controlling the fight and had no intention to shine until towards the end when he came closer and started trying to finish Haye off but it was too late and the knockout didnt happen

 

Haye struggled a lot to make the 200lbs cruiser limit so once he unified the belts he was right to go up to Heavyweight and chance his arm there.

When all is said and done, Haye has gone to Klitschko's backyard and came up short, there's no real disgrace in that. However, the excuse about the toe injury was awfully cringeworthy to watch. He got beaten fair and square toe or no toe injury.

I do think Haye believed that his punches would have more of an effect on Wlad than they had. I'm sure his whole gameplan was to land big counter shots that would shake Wlad to his core. He landed a couple of shots like this in round 3 and they had very little effect on Wlad. He took them well and that surprised Haye. I don't think there's more to it than this. I don't think the gameplan was particurlary wrong, it just did not work. Haye could not have fought any better in my opinion. Haye can't go in there and bulldoze Klitschko - he would get caught and would tire very quickly. His punch output for a man of his physique is abysmal but that is becsause his fighting fitness for 12 rounds is appaulling.

Bottom line is this - Haye underestimated Klitschko's ability to take a punch and his speed at backing away when Haye threatened to attack. It was a big reality check and it surprised me that Wlad was able to take himself out of range fairly easily. It was an excellent performance by WK and one that could not have been beaten by any form of David Haye.