Klitschko win against Joshua, bigger win the Ali vs Foreman?

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  1. Simon Head

    Simon Head Member Full Member

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    I think you will agree with me when I say-
    The Klitschko vs Joshua fight does have some similarities to the rumble in the jungle when Ali overcame the odds and KO'ed big George Foreman.

    For Example-
    * Both Ali and Klitschko are seen as old going in to the fight, Klitschko even more so, in fact Klitschko is 9 years older than Ali when he fought Foreman.

    * Both Ali and Klitschko looked not at their best in previous fights leading up to Foreman and Joshua fights.

    * Both Ali and Klitschko are fighting a big, strong KO artist who everyone thinks is indestructible, Klitschko again even more so against Joshua 6'6, 250 pounds who is far bigger and stronger than Foreman ever was who was 6'3 1/2 and only 220 pounds.

    * Both Ali and Klitschko were betting underdogs going in to the fight.

    * Both Ali and Klitschko were written off by the majority of boxing experts, and casual fans going in to their fight.

    Why does this matter?
    Because this fight has all the makings of a historic fight in boxing, and a lot of people are overlooking this fact.

    Like it or not!
    Klitschko is far, far older than Ali when he had his career defining fight against Foreman. People say Ali was old when he beat Foreman, well that makes Klitschko a grandad, so the win is objectively far more impressive.

    And there is no getting around it!
    Klitschko winning against Joshua, at his age, with the vast majority of people predicting his demise, against some one far bigger, far heavier, far stronger and I will say it punches far harder than Foreman ever did; is objectively and honestly a far more impressive feat, than what Ali preformed in rumble in the jungle.

    If Klitschko wins this Saturday, let's all give him the credit he deserves, just this once.
     
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  2. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    One more similarity to add, all four are Olympic gold medalist at different times than their opponents, although as you pointed out, the years separated them are greater in the Wlad and Joshua case.
    But I beg to differ, I think Foreman is the more formidable opponents for Ali. He had just demolished 2 great fighters in Frazier and Norton who gave Ali hell in their encounters.
    Had Joshua knocked out Fury in gruesome fashion prior to this Saturday, you might have more of a case.
    But I do see your point in terms of a big different in age that Wlad has to overcome in this fight. And for sure to give full credit to whoever win.
     
  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Joshua does not have the experience Foreman had, not the wins..................he was bigger that Ali, about an inch, however, Vlad has had 68 fights, won the gold medal, Joshua has had 18 fights, won the gold, but didn't deserve it because Camerelle out boxed him, Joshua won by home cooking.................both Vlad and Joshua are supposed to be 6 feet 6 inches tall, but Vlad looks about an inch taller, both are muscular, Vlad has the far better skills, is actually faster, both hands and feet, knows Joshua in the ring. Compare the two from today's videos...............Whyte staggered Joshua with a left hook, does not have much power, can't fight, Vlad has power and can land the punches much easier..................Ali beat Foreman with the rope a dope, Foreman ran out of gas, in this case, it is Vlad who has the stamina.................after today I feel confident that Vlad will win this fight............anything can happen in boxing, esp. heavyweight, but the skill level is clear.............
     
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  4. Hayemakers

    Hayemakers Member Full Member

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    George Foreman was far stronger than Joshua. Much more power, better chin, more intimidating and i think he was a little more skilled than Joshua. You are right about the age difference though. Klitscho is just old, while Ali was only declining. If Klit beats Joshua I would be very impressed.
     
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  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    H2H it's bigger, historically it's not. Foreman was a fully proven fighter who'd already dramatically destroyed at least one and arguably two atgs. Ajs still comparatively unproven. If AJ had beat Fury that would make it very comparable, as Foreman's opponents established themselves by beating Ali, as Fury did.
     
  6. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    George Foreman was the undipsuted heavyweight champion of the world with crushing wins over Joe Frazier and Ken Norton.

    Anthony Joshua has a paper IBF belt and knocked out Charles Martin and Dominic Whats-his-name.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol what kind of crazy comparison is this. Ludicrous unless you think Joshua's title winning victory over Martin is up there with Foreman's win over Frazier.
     
  8. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well, to be fair, it could conceivably become comparable down the line in hindsight, if AJ establishes an ATG record later on. That's not the same as it occuring at fight time, but it would still be worth a lot resume wise.
     
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  9. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sorry but if Wlad wins, the magnitude does not come close to Ali beating Foreman. Not even close.
     
  10. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's not bigger head to head either.
     
  11. BCS8

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    It all depends on what Joshua goes on to do afterwards.

    If he has even half the dominance Wlad had, then it's bigger than Foreman / Ali.

    If he sinks without a trace afterwards then he was just another big lummox that failed when he stepped it up.
     
  12. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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    Not even in the same ballpark.
     
  13. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    No, I don't think so. Ali was looked at having no kind of chance to beat Foreman, NONE when they had fought, and Ali turned back the clock in one of the biggest upsets in boxing history.

    Wlad is an underdog but not quite the underdog Ali was, so I'd have to say no.
     
  14. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think I won't agree with you. It wouldn't even be close:lupie:
     
  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    We should be judging the times at this moment, compared to that moment and imo Foreman was a different beast than Joshua going into their respective fights.