Klitschko..............

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  1. bizzer07

    bizzer07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just a short one, and probably done many times, but probably done a fair old time ago also, but who is the better boxer overall, WLAD or VITALI and why. I prefer Vitali, feel he has more heart and will for boxing generally and if he was fighting the other week instead of Wlad then i think he would have taken out ibragimov inside 5. If you have the view of "oh f**king hell not again man" just simply jog on and dont comment! peace:bbb
     
  2. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad has more talent and tools but Vitali is better suited for boxing with his mentality.
     
  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad is a little better physically, Vitali is alot stronger mentally. I will take the guy who's mentally stronger over the guy who is physically stronger 9 times out of 10, prime Wlad vs prime Vitali, Vitali knocks him out in under 6 rounds.
     
  4. Bonavena25

    Bonavena25 Vamos! Full Member

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    Vitali's injury problems deprived us of a potentially great heavyweight. He was a brilliant fighter, and although not as techniqually subtle as his bro, he a darn sight more exciting. He just went for it all the time and would knock out Wladmir in about two rounds.
     
  5. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With Emanuel Steward in the corner, Wlad will outbox Vitali.

    Vitali it overrated. He was a good boxer, but to much injuries. And he quit against Byrd, why do you think he can take out a southpaw with good defense like Ibragimov in 5 rounds? He could not take Byrd out in 9 and than must quit with the shoulder injury.
     
  6. Illmatic

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    Wald- greater offensive arsenal
    Vitlay- chin

    I'd go with Vitlay in a head to head matchup
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I have seen dozens of threads on who was the better. As a fan of both who has seen both of them on at least 10 different occasions here is my break down on 11 separate categories.

    Power: Prior to Vitlai’s shoulder and back, leg and back injuries, Universum said he Vitali harder than Wlad and early Vitlai fights will back this up. However as Wlad matured, and Vitlai had to over come injuries which required surgery, Wlad became the harder hitter. Who hit harder between the two at their best is debatable. I do think Wlad at his best had a bit more power in his cross and hook, however Vitali seemed to have “ heavier hands “ and could hurt his man a bit easier without landing perfect type of punches. I will give this one to
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    Size: Defined as a full-blown tale of the tape. Both are super heavyweights in every sense of the word. Vitlai is 6’7 ½” with an 80” reach, Wlad is 6’6” with an 81” reach. Vitlai is on average about 5 ( 245-250 ) pounds heavier and has the bigger lower body of the two, while Wlad’s torso rivals and possible exceeds the sculpted statues of the Roman or Greek gods. Vitlai seems to have a thicker / stronger neck. Wlad has bigger arms, shoulders and back muscles. Both men are without a doubt among the largest heavies every. Overall, I would give a slight edge to
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    Skills on Offense: Wlad owns a laser like right hand, and compact hook, and an accurate jab. Vitlai is a bit less refined in terms of technique, but has the ability to throw and land punches at odd angles, and uses the uppercut and body punching a bit more. Vitlai is also a bit better on counter punching. Wlad can combo off his jab, or turn it into a hook, which is rare among heavyweights. While Vitlai seems to be more dominant on the scorecards, I would give the edge on skills to his younger brother, who in my opinion is a rare technical boxer with great power and very good speed. Advantage to
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    Skills on Defense: Defined as the ability make the other guy miss, punch anticipation, clinching, block shots with the gloves, base guard stance, use of footwork to get out of the way, and covering up. Wlad has mastered the art of clinching and can execute the maneuver with technique, speed, and power. Wlad has also developed a high right hand guard that makes it tougher for his opponent to land the hook, and very smart footwork. Vitlai defense is a bit more un-orthodox, as his guard is lower. However Vitlai has great punch anticipation, makes the other guy miss often by leaning back a few inches, and actually can cover more ground quicker than his brother can. Vitlai can clinch or cover up well if he needs to. I think Vitlai is harder to hit over all with the jab, body shots or right hand, which is 70% or more of the punches thrown in a boxing match. Advantage to
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    Hand and foot speed: Wlad has extremely fast hands for a larger fighter. Vitali has deceptive hand speed. I think Vitlai’s foot speed is better than Wlad’s though. I call this one a
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    Quality of competition fought: Although Vitlai fought a decent collection of fighters, Wlad has more overall fights, and has had more matches vs fighters who were X Champions, or one time top ten rated opponents. Advantage to
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    Chin: If Wlad had a top chin, I have little doubt he would be among the best ever. However like most fighters, Wlad has a suspect chin vs punchers. Vitlai in my opinion has an all time chin at heavyweight. Vitlai has never been knocked down from a punch, and has taken hard shots extremely well, and shown the ability to recover from them quickly. This is category has perhaps the greatest difference between the two. Big edge to
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    Stamina: Early in Wlad career, he had some stamina problems, but the problem has been corrected due to focus on sparring many rounds, and more cardio work as opposed to the weight lifting that Universum favored. As it stands right now, Wlad has very good 12 round stamina, and can box, fight and move without resting on the ropes for 12 rounds. Wlad has a high punch out put, and his stamina seems to be an asset these days. Vitlai stamina is under rated. Vitlai actually throws more punches per round than legends such as Rocky Marciano or Joe Frazier. The ability to score late TKO’s and punching on average 70 times a round or more point to Vitlai having better stamina. Two of Wlad’s losses seem to be stamina related. Edge to
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    , though Wlad in his prime seems to have good stamina as well.

    Heart: Vitlai did quit in one fight vs Chris Byrd, but to be fair it was a bad injury and I could name a dozen hall of fame fighters who also packed it in. Vitlai proved he could fight with a bad hand vs Williams, and with a bad cut that would take the heart of most fighters vs Lewis. Wlad’s fighting heart is under rated, and he’ll get up as many times as he physical can. But part of a fighting heart is nerve and composure for the rough stuff in boxing, and here, Vitali seems much better. But who is better overall? I’ll give
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    Ring Generalship: Wlad used to have problems managing his stamina, preparing himself, and changing tactics vs different type of opponents. It appears now that Wlad is fighting much smarter, and because of this, his weaknesses are much harder to exploit. . Vitali to me had a better sense when to box, slug or brawl, and when to change tactics. Wlad himself says his brother is a smarter fighter. I agree. Edge to
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    Intimidation / Killer instinct: Both Klitschko are intimidating figures in the ring. I do think Wlad no longer sees himself as a younger brother and now casts a shadow of his own, however I do think Vitlai has a bit more aggression in him when he has his man hurt. In addition Vitlai has the better stare down, and meaner disposition in general. Wlad personality is a bit more happy go lucky. Advantage
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    Tally:

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    has an edge in 4 categories
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  8. Shaolin Box

    Shaolin Box Respect Full Member

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    :good perfect!
     
  9. bizzer07

    bizzer07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i just feel no matter whether he has a good defence or not, that Vitali would have tried a hell of a lot harder to take that guy out of there rather than literally be scared about possibly being hit like Wlad was. If Wlad would have let his hands go abit i think he could have easily out muscled him easy
     
  10. Marquito_666

    Marquito_666 ESB´s #1 **** star Full Member

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    Both guys are hard to beat in very different ways.
    Those who beat Wladimir had / would probably have a problem beating Vitaly, and vice versa.

    None of them are complete fighters, but both are/were VERY hard to beat.

    Wladimir is the better boxer obviously, but Vitaly was way tougher and had way more killing instinct when his body let him.

    Vitaly would probably be my choice toe to toe...simply because he would be tough enough to bring the fight to Wladimir and pressure him like no other fighter has done.
     
  11. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a shame there's almost zero chance of seeing them in the ring together.
     
  12. Marquito_666

    Marquito_666 ESB´s #1 **** star Full Member

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    IMO it´s bigger of a chance that Wladimir fights Don King than fighting his brother. They promised their mother they would never fight each other, and to some that means they never will.

    By the way Don King would probably pay HIS mother to fight Klitschko, as long as he get options on Wlad.
     
  13. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    oh f**king hell not again man
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    IMO Vitali is better than Wlad.

    Wlad will end up the greater heavyweight because despite Vitali's potential, his career was hindered by injuries