klitschkos are not top 20 all time

Achievement is all & good similar to the ring pound for pound rankings, does Manny beat Floyd?

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2. Joe Louis
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Riddick Bowe
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. George Foreman
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Larry Holmes
12. Jack Johnson
13. Joe Frazier
14. Wladimir Klitschko
15. Gene Tunney
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Sonny Liston
18. Floyd Patterson
19. Ingemar Johansson
20. Max Schmeling

 

I rank Wladimir in the Top15.

 

That looks about right, although I'd have Vitali much lower, maybe 19.

 

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali

3. Jack Johnson
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Larry Holmes

6. George Foreman
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Joe Frazier

9. Sonny Liston
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Mike Tyson

13. Max Schmeling
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Harry Wills

16. Floyd Patterson
17. Jersey Joe Walcott
18. Ezzard Charles
19. Peter Jackson

20. Riddick Bowe
21. Ken Norton

22. Gene Tunney
23. Sam Langford

Other than Holy (who should have retired a while ago!) I don't really rate current fighters. If I had to I would probably put Wlad around 16-20 and Vitali 21-25 neighborhood!

 

I think Wlad has a chance to get within ready of the 8-12 spot if (and only if) he can string together another 8-10 big wins, including 1-2 big fights that create a form of global excitement. Bar getting knocked out by a random bum Wlad still has another 4-5 good years.

His legacy needs to be judged well after he has retired, not 4-5 years before.

How did people rate Lennox in 1998? Please. He was hated.

 

putting tyson at 3 prooves that you're kid that dont know much about boxing

 

I am notorious on the classic forum for having a bias towards old time fighters, but I do think that Wladamir Klitschko should be ranked as a top 20 all time heavyweight.

Taking into acount his period of dominance and number of wins over ranked conteders I cannot see any historical precedent for a heavyweight acheiving those things and not being awarded a top 20 slot.

Even if you think that he was dominating the weakest era in the history of the heavyweight division you would still have to give him the nod.

I will wait untill he retires before I rank him but I think it is prety much a done deal.

 

I think that Wladimir is definitely in the top 10. How many people on that list would honestly be able to deal with his size, skill, and athleticism.

 

I'd say less than 10.

 

Wlad in the top 10 is a bit of a stretch but if he beats all of the current top contenders( Povetkin, Haye, Adamek) and retires then yes...

 

Wlad is so dominant that two of his three top contenders, Haye and Povetkin are running scared. Povetkin keeps tripping over roots and Haye is in the witless protection program. The latest sighting of Davey had him hunkered down somewhere behind Hadrian's wall. Adamek will probably man up and actually agree to fight Wlad but will be outboxed worse than Fast Eddie. In the past contenders would do anything to get in the ring with the champ. Today, Haye, Valuev and Povetkin are seemingly too scared to face Wlad. That speaks volumes about his dominance. I have Wlad barely in the top 10. Ideally I'd like to see him reign for another two years to rival Holmes longevity.