Klitschkos toughtest fight

You sure you're from Scotland...?

 

When they both retire, the only Klitchko who will have a decent name on their resume is Vitali

And that was Lennox Lewis

And he lost

Both will retire and will be known as average heavyweights who dominated in the poorest selection of Heavyweight boxers of all time.

 

This :good Although i would say they are good Heavyweights not Average. I would even say Very good... just not great

 

I don't quite understand the question.

I think Wladimir's toughest fight so far would have to have been the first Peter fight. That was a real crossroads bout...fail and that could well have been it for his career. He resisted, he held on, he fought back and he won.

Vitali's toughest fight is obvious.

 

I feel that you are quite mistaken, for three reasons:

1. Lennox is not a "decent" name, is is a top ATG, in H2H terms easily top 3. Vitali lost to him that night, but did he lose because he was the inferior fighter? Sometimes a legit loss doesn't mean the opponent was truly better.

2. The competition of the Klitschkos isn't the worst ever, that can hardly be measured objectively. Holmes and Louis fought many subpar opponents, only 17 on Louis' record would even be HW's today.

3. Consistency is so underrated in boxing. Frazier has the glorious win over Ali, but as Norton revealed soon, that version of Ali was beatable by less than top ATG fighters. Holmes reigned for seven years. Which is harder to do? Could Frazier, Dempsey, Tyson, for the excitement they brought, ever have shown the consistency of Holmes, no matter what level the opposition was? The Klitschkos are approaching that level of consistency and very few fighters in history could have ruled the division, barely losing a round, for so long.

 

...Even the hardasses on the classic forum who don't particularly like Wladimir, let alone crossover into fanboy territory tend to currently rate him in the top 20 heavies of all time. You're quite incorrect, apparently. Vitali is a different case.

 

Irrelevant. Holmes and Louis's best opponents, bar Lewis were better than anything the Klitschko's have face in terms of ability. Also Louis was only 200lbs so was fighting men his size or often bigger - it was an equal playing field often in terms of size and he still dominated.

I agree consistency is underrated and I give Holmes his props for that - he is an underrated heavyweight in many respects. I think Frazier can be forgiven for fighting in an extremely tough era - probably the toughest ever for heavies. Dempsey was fighting in a brutal era and Tyson had all sorts of problems outside of the ring that really messed him up. I think you are underrating Norton - he was an excellent heavyweight with tremendous physical ability and athleticism with good power and solid jab who could work out a good fight plan. He was let down by his chin.

 

Maybe Wlad but I consider both as easy fights to be honest.

 

Neither. Wlad will likely be pressured early for a round or two, then start pummeling Chisora with the right hand until he submits and falls. Probably go 5, maybe 6 rounds.

Vitali, I guess might be in for a "longer" nights work, but not tougher by any means.
Solis will throw several loping shots during each of his lost rounds, but will fail to get inside the near perfect defense of Vitalis offense. Yeah, I said perfect defense of his offense, which is why he hasn't dropped a round in 10 years.

Both guys can be hit, and both their opponents are punchers, problem is for DC and OS, is both brothers have the necessary skills to alter and void any kind of sustained offense by their opposition.
I see the VK allowing OS to last 7, maybe 8 rounds.

Both fights end in KOs or TKOs depending on how much the ref allows the challengers to suffer.

 

I don't see how a totally disinterested version of Baer or Schmeling are better than the best opponents of the Klitschkos. Frazier fought in a tough era alright, but he still would always have burned his prime fast. Tyson havin all sorts of problem outside the ring is what makes many others, who were more consistent, greater than him, at least in some ways. Having the focus and work ethic of the Klitschkos is an ingredient on one possible road to greatness.

 

Oh yea let me get this straight. Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson beating up random bums back to back in 1980-1985 and 1985-1990 is a "great era" and the Klits doing the same today and it's the poorest division in the history of boxing. The double standards some people use are hilarious really.