Knew it! Ali would have owned Tyson Fury! Modern day giant argument nonsense

What if the fight was on the ISS with zero gravity?
Stop imagine stupid.

 

Lennox Lewis was knocked out twice by the 6'2 Oliver McCall and the 6'2 Hasim Rahman. Lewis also struggled in the second fight against the 6'1 1/2 Holyfield. Lol do you even watch boxing?

 

Bowe was talking slow before he got in the ring with Golota. In any case Bowe's body was done before he fought Golota. Golota just capitalized on it.

 

All right; all right. You've got me. If prime Ali gained ten pounds of muscle, became a southpaw, grew half an inch, and had Usyk's style, he, too, could grind out a split decision against an elderly Tyson Fury.

 

I want to point out, Ali was never 6'3 or the sometimes listed 6'4 (lol) from some telecasts. He was 6'2 and he didn't train down to his best weight through a significant portion of his career. He wore it well and it didn't look overtly soft, granted. But this is easily glossed over because of how fat and slobby many modern heavies are. It matters in that when you discuss natural size at their best weight, while he was a big man, the TOTT's for him are not the absolute most important thing in size discussions with other heavies. And, while on that subject, Fury should not be in the 260's and above. Yes, he's an enormous man, but GTFO if we want to pretend this is all athletically-advantageous weight and natural size advantage in pounds. It certainly isn't. But I never thought Ali was too small for any man born of a woman anyway. I don't even think significantly smaller Marciano, Frazier, Patterson, would be out of the modern heavyweight discussion, and nothing with Usyk had to change my mind on that account, for sure.

 

I have tried to say that for a 100 times now, but to no avail. Most people on here are fatso that can not run a single mile and were never athletes themselves.

USYK IS SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER THEN ALI.
Just because you both weight 220 doesn't mean that you are the same size. Ali was super chubby always in comparison to Usyk. Usyk has legitimately 20 lbs on Ali.
There is no comparison.

 

He could but none of them were as fast as Fury or as big plus he wasn't walking them down he was fighting them on the back foot

 

I don't like these sort of hypotheticals; if Ali fought today he would also be privy to modern training methods and tactical advancements etc, so his style probably would have been different to the Ali we actually saw. If Usyk-Fury proved anything it is that the size advantage guys like Fury enjoy is far from unsurmountable for a sufficiently talented fighter, and in terms of talent Ali is leagues ahead of Fury.

 

that’s just not true though if you look at history. Prior to Ali you had guys like Marciano and Louis as HWs, did you think they thought that the average HW would be 230lb one day? They probably thought 180lb was all you needed to be. In fact we know this to be true because the heavyweight entry used to be 175lb.

When they looked at the exceptionally big guys at the time like Primo Carnera, they probably thought the average HW champ can’t ever be above 250 because they’re too slow. But that had less to do with being 250 but more to do with lack of talent weighing that much.

In the last decade, all the heavyweight champs except Usyk has been SHWs; vitaly, Wlad, Lewis, Joshua, fury and even wilder was a 6’6 dude.

We know that isn’t the limit to being an athletic big guy because we have very athletic basketball players for example. It just comes down to talent pool. If there are 10,000 300lb boxers, one of them is bound to be able to move like Ali. Heck people said that about Fury

 

You made that up. Explain the physics as to why the value of pounds diminishes after 200 pounds? As oppose to 175lb like they used to think. Or 220lbs? Clearly it’s not 200lbs since we haven’t had a 200lb HW champ in decades, so you probably mean to say 220lbs now?

That’s an illusion. Bro-science if you will. Simple maths and probability and rules of physics would declare that to be untrue.

 

Fury probably isn’t at his best. Still I’ll take 36 year old Fury over 36 year old Ali. In fairness Ali absorbed a lot of punishment by the time he turned 36. The Larry Holmes version of Ali was running on fumes. These arguments just go around in circles. We will never know but Fury is still freakishly good at 35. Different eras.

I’m amazed Fury can stay motivated to get punched in the face after seeing his bank account. He’s super rich. Most old guys kept fighting until they were this age becaiee they were broke. Fury does it for love of the game and huge piles of cash. I would have hung it up long ago.

 

Ok. Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. Louis, to be fair, was adding weight prior to his career being interrupted by world war 2. He was 207 lbs prior to WW2 and looked at his peak vs Budy Baer. So i would imagine he would be another 10 lbs heavier if he were fighting today. '

I don't think there will ever be 10,000 300 lb boxers. Very few men are that big and among those who are, most will play other sports like basketball.

Look at US. Tall men in America either go into NFL or NBA. Wilder is an exception. In the UK and Ukraine, basketball isn't yet big so boxing still gets the top athletes. But in America, Canada, Spain, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Germany and many other countries, basketball is big. And the talent pool of big men will overwhelmingly go in that direction.

If basketball was huge in Ukraine, i am not sure they would produce the type of heavies they have. Boxing is a poor man's sport and as soon as countries become more successful or discover sports like basketball, people move away from it. Very very few big men in the general population will ever want to get punched in the head for a living.

 

What are you talking about?

Of course Ali had the style.

He had blazing hand speed, foot speed and reflexes.

He also had respectable power.

Ali could fire off combinations and then jump back out of range.

He doesn’t fight like Usyk, but those tactics would have been just as effective.

Usyk won based on accuracy and movement, not strength and power.

 

It was proven years ago. It’s just that there’s an awful lot of ignorant people around.