Knew it! Ali would have owned Tyson Fury! Modern day giant argument nonsense

First off Usyk isn't 1/2 inch taller than Ali. Ali weighed 220 pounds at his peak. Usyk weighed 200 pounds at his peak and had to gain weight.

If you want to be serious Ali was still better than Usyk when he was fighting Trevor Berbick.

 

Usyk landed 40 percent of his punches against a big slow Tyson Fury. 40 percent of your punches against a stationary slow target isn't being accurate.

 

Frazier weighed 205 to 210 pounds. Lol you do realize light heavyweight is 175? This is what I mean by there are so many casuals now days pretending to be boxing fans.

Lol Lennox Lewis didn't dominate his era. He lost twice to guys who were 6'2. Lewis became champion once Holyfield and Tyson were past their primes. Lewis still struggled with Holyfield in their second fight. Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, and Ross Purrity in his prime. These guys were between 6'1 and 6'3.

Ali beat guys like Chuck Wepner who was 6'5 and Ernie Terrell who was 6'6. There were other guys like Al Jones, Leroy Jones, Calvin Cross, Orville Qualls, Horst Geisler, Roy "Tiger" Williams, Jimmy Abbott, Gerry Cooney, James J Beattie, Bernd August, Larry Middeton, etc who were between 6'5 to 6'9 doing Ali's time frame. Nobody considered these guys super heavyweights.

Even back when Lennox Lewis was champion (by the way Lewis isn't 6'5 and this is how I know you are a casual. According to Lewis he is 6'4 1/2) There were guys like Henry Akinwande, Lance Whitaker, Mike White, Stanley Wright, Jorge Luis Gonzales, Michael Grant who were all at least 6'7 to 6'10 and nobody considered them super heavyweights.

There should be a part of the forum to people who know boxing and then a part of casuals and little kids.

 

Are you a real boxing fan ? This is a reach, Ali looked horrific against Berbick, he was basically shot

 

Lol exactly. Zhang beat slow Joe Joyce and that is it. Hrgovic beat Zhang and that is it.

 

Yeah because 99 percent of the people you see talking about boxing are casual fans. Larry Holmes competed in the 1990s and beat guys like Ray Mercer far easier than Lennox Lewis did

As I said in other post, Ali beat 6'6 guys before and he did it easy. George Foreman destroyed the 6'5 Chuck Wepner, the 6'5 Gerry Cooney, the 6'6 Jack O'Halloran, and the 6'7 Bobo Renfrow.

Also Bermaine Stivere is 6'1 and he was champion recently, Andy Ruiz is 5'11 and was champion,Alexander Povetkin is 6'1 and he was champion. David Haye is 6'2 and he was champion, Ruslan Chagaev is around 6'0 and he was champion. Even a guy like Joseph Parker who is 6'3 was champion . But he 6'2 1/2 Ali couldn't be champion?

This is to you and the other people here who know boxing. You know how you make your time on this forum better? Just block any person who uses the term super heavyweight, eye test, or just say stuff that makes little sense.

 

A 28 year old boxer with 40 fights is in his prime. Lol Wlad didn't become better with Stewart in his corner. He just became more boring and who was he beating? He wasn't beating HOF fighters with Stewart. Wlad was cherry picking. Also who said Sanders had more power than Witherspoon? Lol You? Did you get in the ring with either fighter? Name one figher who faced Witherspoon and Sanders who stated Sanders punched harder.

Which has nothing to do with my point. A prime Witherspoon would knock out a 40 year old Wlad. Yet Tyson Fury barely beat a 40 year old Wlad.

 

Boxers can change styles Wlad certainly did. Far more boring but effective. Physical prime doesn't equal being the most skilled or defensive in your career. Lewis peaked in his mid 30s

Wlad beat everyone in front of him, that's not his fault. Ranked contenders who you call bums just because

 

He looked horrible. Yet he still look better than Fury or Usyk does. I mean skill wise. Ali was clearly done physically but he still knew how to throw sharp punches. Usyk and Fury throws slapping arm punches.

 

Oh nah, his skill and reflexes were diminished to a bare nub by the 80s. I just don't see how he looked better than Fury let alone Usyk at that point. We can agree to disagree

 

Lay off the weed for an hour.
I knew the Ali worshipers would come out of the woodwork when Usyk defeated Fury by SD or in any manner. Usyk-Fury is a one off. You don't "show" or prove anything with a sample of one fight.

It's not a "school of thought" it's plain common sense. Biophysics to be fancy.
Ali would lose to Usyk, Fury, and many 2000s (if not earlier) HWs. I'd take AJ over Ali, maybe Wilder too. Lt CW H Copper and other CW to small HWs decked or rocked Ali. Skinny Wilder outweighs H Cooper by 30-40 lbs. and other CW sized to very small HWs by 20-25 lbs. If Wilder nails Ali once, he's not getting up for well over a 10 count. Don't bring up E Terrell as some lame counter. Wilder is bigger and a much more lethal puncher than Terrell ever was.

Ali-Parker would be interesting. Based on how many Ali adorers here, the betting line would be sweet for a bet on Joe P. Parker is bigger, moves well, has a good engine & punch resistance. Btw, Ali wasn't a big puncher in his era - he admitted as much. In this era he'd be feather fisted. Ali would have his hands full like he did every time vs. small Frazier & chinny Norton. Ali's only realistic chance vs. Parker (and most modern HWs) is by decision. He's not stopping Parker unless Joe suffers a nasty cut.

Good for ppl like you that we never see these match ups in reality.

 

How big was the size difference between Parker and Zhang Decker ? Did Ruiz's extra fat give him magical super heavyweight powers ?

This isn't the first cruiser heavyweight champ and it won't be the last.

 

Zhang is bigger, mainly heavier, and also much older ! Parker clearly moved better than Zhang and has a better engine. C'mon, you know better than this.

You said it, much of Andy's "size" is lots of blubber. It doesn't give him magical or otherwise SHW powers. But he's made for a successful career for a slob - and nobody will ever take away his stoppage win vs. the sculpted model looking AJ !

If HWs keep getting bigger while retaining skills, we might be near the end of seeing a CW move up to HW & win a title. Maybe an early 20s late filling out CW that can naturally become an averaged sized HW can have much success. But a late 20s/ early 30s CW moving up and win a major title? I think we're about at the end of the road for that.

 

Zhang was 40 against Joyce too. Zhang even admitted he has multiple years left because he took care of his body. Fury and Joshua the "best of the best SHWs" lost to the best cruiser who Briedis gave more issues. Even Hunter gave Usyk a better fight than aj

Ruiz couldn't even KO an ancient chinny Lickovich, super heavyweight power am i right ? Yes all super heavyweights must be immune to punches from Cruisers right ? Cruisers can't punch as hard as SHWs right ? Wait a minute. Pillowfisted Cunningham and Haye wants a word

The era of elite mobile Cruisers moving up to become HW champion is not over. We will see it again and again and again. Cruisers are just small heavyweights. Byrd was another, a literal middleweight in the pros who moved up

 

He was very lean, look AJ 1. But he is 37.5 years old and is clearly a clean athlete, not a drug cheat, and can't be as ripped as he once was.