Knockdowns: Immediate point taken away?

A knockdown does not guarantee you a 10-8.

 

In the Ortiz-Bohachuk fight which was pretty controversial, in the first round Boha scored a knockdown I had the round even, because Ortiz dominated the round but Boha scored a flash knockdown.

I had it 10-10. Because it would be 10-9 to Ortiz based on who I had winning the round, then take one point away from Ortiz because of the KD making it 9-9, but because it's a 10 point must system and at least one fighter must get a 10 and I had it even so it would be a 10-10.

This obviously isn't very common but it is available to the judges to do this.

 

The rules are constantly changing, but usually a KD means an automatic 10:8. The only exception is when the downed boxer get up and beat the **** out from the other boxer, in this case he saves it to 10:9, but the downed boxer cant win the round.

 

Tank Vs Garcia, the early round Garcia got dropped in one of the judges scored 10-10 - no idea mind

Most kds will be scored as 10-8, its whats most expected but a judge can use ther own discretion to score it otherwise

 

The KD rule is dumb as usual. Pretty much everything is boxing is stupid.

Another problem is the fact some KD's are almost KO's and the fighter needs to survive and some are basically balance KD's where the fighter isn't really hurt and they both get a 10/8. Laughable.

This then leads to fights where slips are wrongly called and the fighter loses two rounds for nothing, which happened in the Lee/'Kid Chocolate' fight where Lee got a KD called which was a slip and the ref actually apologised afterwards but still Lee got a draw when it should have been a win.

 

Almost correct apart from that it is still possible for the fighter that was put down to win the round, the 10-9 bit is correct but it is possible for point deductions to swing the round in favour of the fighter who touched the canvas.
I have never seen it and might not have ever happened but it is a possibility in the context of the rules of boxing, if it did happen I would immediately switch the fight off

 

It isn't but its scored consistantly enough where you can pretend it is and look at judges not doing it as rogue.

The point of the 10-8 is or should be to reward hard hitters over better fighters because scoring a knockdown is harder then winning a round. So a fighter getting knocked down and saving a point because they dominated the round kind of defeats the purpose. If a fighter is losing a round and he gets the knockdown he should be making up 2 points. A fighter having hope he can save a losing round until the end makes for better boxing.


I think the best compromise system is it being 9-8 for the guy who got the knockdown if the guy he knocked down dominated the rest of the round. You lose 1 point for losing the round you lose 2 for getting knocked down, 3 for getting knocked down twice. So the guy who got the KD would have 9 because he lost 1 point and the guy who "won the round" would have 8 because he lost 2. I don't think the guy who scored the knockdown should lose any but if he embarassed himself that bad this is a logical way to reflect that. He shouldn't yield no advantage for a KD round.

Slips and falls are a seperate thing for me. Judges should always have discretion over a knockdown "not really counting". Knockdowns should be 10-8 but if a judge doesn't think a knockdown happened they shouldn't score it. Thats different than acknowledging a knockdown and doing their own thing.

 

This thread may help you:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/10-9-knockdown-rounds.726443/

 

I went on a rant here many years ago with this subject in mind, which was due to the Matthysse fights vs Judah and Alexander, where Matthysse absolutely dominated many of the rounds he won and the rounds he lost were mostly very close. He lost both by SD while he should have won both, but the boxing scoring method made it that 2 fights that weren't that close at all, were keept close due to the extremely inprecise way of scoring in Boxing.
Because not just in knockdown rounds, but every single round it's basically nonsense.
A round that a boxer is punched from pilar to post is scored 10-9 (only in rare cases 10-8), while a round where 2 boxers can hardly be seperated is scored the exact same.

You can draw a fight where you edge the first six rounds by frustrating your opponent with pittypat punches,using up all your energy. And then losing every following round big while barely surviving on your feet.
114-114 in boxing textbook scoring. One fighter getting totally dominated in the second half of the fight, while having done close to zero damage himself, scored a draw.
It's also a way for home judges to rob a fighter, while being completely within the scoring rules.