Knocking out Prime LaMotta?

Does Hopkins even beat Lamotta? do you realize how great lamotta was? How about watching some film of a prime mid 1940s Lamotta

 

From the little film available, Fitz (or indeed any of the fighters of that era) doesn't seem to have even punched with proper form. To be expected IMO, as he fought in an era that used gloves without padding, making a clean shot much more likely to result in a KO. You'll find numerous examples of this watching plain old street brawls between two un-skilled, un-gloved bums. If you get tagged right without padding, you're much more likely to have your bell rung, or your switch turned off flat out. Punching form is more relative to a KO with padded gloves than without, which is part of the reason (IMO) fighters like Fitz and Ketchell were able to score so many KO's during that era. Regardless of your punching technique, if you're landing flush punches with an un-gloved hand on a more or less defenseless fighter, they're getting knocked the **** out.

That said, if plucked out of their era and placed into ours, I don't think Fitz's style, or Ketchell's (or anyone of that era) for that matter, would allow them to even contend due to their technically prehistoric style. Obviously they had the physical attributes though, and I'd have no qualms with anyone suggesting that with modern training they'd be potentially among the best. As it is, I don't see guys like Fitz or Ketchell KO'ing, or beating, any top fighters under modern rules and regulations, LaMotta the very least.

 

Charles won the series with Marshall. Moore and Charles without a doubt are the best offensive forces at 175 and perhaps 160.

Burley was at least as bigger puncher as Robinson/Lamotta, especially the sub 155 Robinson that Lamotta was competitive with and Cerdan injured his should early. Then there's the likes of Bivins, Booker, Chase? Who knows if another night if Marshall wouldnt KO him?

Simple fact is LAmotta didnt face a who's who of his era, and many top names were avoided

 

Hopkins does EVERYTHING better than Lamotta

 

I dont think any middleweight could do it Bob Satterfield who KO'd 6"2 212 lb Bob Baker in 1, 31-1-0 Cleveland "Big Cat "Williams in 3 and Dropped 6"3 215 lb Nino Valdez could not do it to Jake, in fact Jake KO'd Bob....funny but I am not so sure I can think of any other middleweight in history that had Jakes chin and toughness and came back punching

 

LaMotta was from the same mould as Marciano and Frazier, etc, when it came to applying pressure. His whole style was based around cutting the ring down, banging the body, countering while pressuring and looking for holes.

 

Skills.

 

I agree with Sweet Pea on Fitz.

 

Hopkins in his 20s could apply a world of pressure but this isn't his chore strength, he'd have no problem fighting at Lamottas pace.

And yes Hopkins is a very effective body puncher, he took out DLH with 1 shot

How many times has Hopkins been hurt?

 

1. No we dont, Hopkins can fight at a frantic pace and throw better more compact shots in a toe-toe

2. DLH weighed over 147 for his TWO 130lb fights years before and would weigh mid-160s against BHOPs as a 5'11 solidly built man, a 34yo Holman Williams was a long time LW and smaller than DLH and still maybe edged Lamotta past his prime.

Hopkins was a very effective bodypuncher, had many opponents gimmice but boc=xing was his forte. So he isn't going to the body if it leaves a countering opportunity

3. Decking someone doesn't mean you hurt them, but tbh I havent seen this fight. Personally I've never seen Hopkins really hurt, Lamotta was out of it a few times.