Knocking out Prime LaMotta?

My position is what I write McGrain not the words you put in my mouth.

 

Pauli Malignaggi, for the most part, throws inside shots as directly as possible. So does Roberto Duran. Does this mean they're on the same stratosphere when it comes to in-fighting? There's more to it than digging in rib shots or throwing pitty pat rabbit punches during clinches. From what I've seen of fighters from that general time frame, that is more or less where they made their living, on the inside, in clinches, looking to wrestle and rough-house their opponents damn near every single time they came into close proximity. Makes for pretty God-awful viewing to be honest. It looks more like a Greco-Roman wrestling match than a boxing in-fight. Watch Curry/Starling II and compare it to any of the footage pre-20's. There's a very distinct difference between the roughing and wrestling tactics the old timers used and the technically efficient pure boxing craftsmanship that's exhibited by the best modern in-fighters.

 

I don`t fancy anyone knocking out a well conditioned and prime Jake, the likelyhood of that happening imo is about the same as me winning the lottery. As for powerpuncher I don`t know what it is that makes you think that Jake was some primitive, unskilled, mindless brute who waded into his opponents with reckless abandon while leaving himself wide open.

The man was far more cagey and clever in the ring than you give him credit for, the fact that you think so little of him and his abilitys is a reflection of your lack of knowledge on the man. If he was such a limited fighter then why is it that he had 6 competitive fights vs Sugar Ray Robinson who is widely considered the p4p fighter in the sports history?

You don`t give a guy like Ray hell in the ring each time out unless you have some serious skills and ring intelligence, and don`t give me none of that he outweighed him by x amount of pounds line of reasoning either as the sole reason why he did so well against him because Ray routinely flattened middleweights even while he himself weighed in as a welterweight.

As for Hopkins what the hell makes you think he would have a cakewalk against Jake in the ring? I`m sorry but that is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read in the classic section, right behind Senya`s claim of Hopkins TKOing Gene Fullmer in 4 rounds at their respective peaks.

You say that a young Nard was much more active which is true, but how conveniently you forget the fact that he was also much more willing to engage his opponents as well back then thus giving Jake the opportunity of getting in his own pound of flesh in return. And even if Hop decided to box and fight off the backfoot, just what exactly makes you think he would do a number on Jake and shut him out?

Robinson also boxed off the backfoot against Jake each time out and yet even he couldn`t avoid getting pinned into the corners and ropes fairly regularly due to Jake`s overbearing attack and non-stop windmill style. Nard ain`t nearly as fleetfooted as Ray was and I sure as **** don`t see him boxing circles around Jake.

Eventually he will have to stand and trade and even when he doesn`t Jake had no problem punching while coming forward and since he loved going to the body moreso than the head he wouldn`t be missing with all that many punches while on the move.

And keep in mind that while Jake did not have a reputation as a puncher don`t be fooled into thinking the man couldn`t punch, when he planted his feet and really put his weight into his punches the man could crack pretty good and hard. Due to his style though he mostly fought while coming forward thus not allowing him to get full leverage into his punches, but when he had you pinned look out because those body punches were brutal.

And lets not forget his physical strenght which he was renowned for, the man was very very strong and knew how to use his strenght effectively to bully his opponents into the ring ropes and knew how to keep them there for extended periods of time so that he could wail away to their midsection and wear them down for the later rounds.

When all is said and done on his best night Jake LaMotta is a handful for ANYONE at middleweight, I don`t give a good goddamn what your name is and what style your gonna employ against him but this man is gonna make you know you were in a fight and you ain`t walking out of that ring without some bumps and bruises.... no cupcake was Jake in the squared circle thats for sure and he`d be on you like flys on **** all night long.

Just my 0.02$.

Oh and Jake absolutely brutalizes Nigel Benn, it would be painful to watch.

 

That wasn't quite my argument. But as for that.

I was saying that in that era you could get away with not having proper punching form due to the smaller gloves, which had hardly any padding in them. Not saying the guy didn't have genuine natural power, but I wouldn't pick him to KO someone like LaMotta with one shot under today's rules and regulations. There's no evidence to suggest such, as we'll never know how he'd have gotten on in the modern scene.

Leaving his technical limitations (IMO) out of it, if he were to land the big shot, he'd probably hurt a lot of tough guys just on his natural power, I just don't think he'd be able to stop them, especially LaMotta.

 

this noob can't be serious

 

You're aware of how hard Ketchel hit, yes?

 

Prime LaMotta....sheesh....Fitzsimmons, Ketchell and Hagler are the only men who spring to mind here.

 

If the greatest boxer who ever lived couldn't knock LaMotta off of his feet, I doubt most of the guys mentioned here would.

The only guy I COULD see doing it was Stanley Ketchel.

 

Ketchel had murder in both hands.