KO are infrequent in the amateurs, why?

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    There are two things.
    When you watch an amateur championship (Olympics/Worlds) you have the best fighting the best, and it only lasts 3 rounds. How often do you see the 2 top guys in a division take each other out within the first 3 rounds?
    At the lower levels there are plenty of knockouts in the amateurs.

    Another factor is the gloves, they give a little more cushioning in the Ams.
    The headgear makes absolutely no difference, all it does is help to protect against cuts to an extent.
     
  2. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you don't recognize his AV? Watch more boxing :D
     
  3. Expat09

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  4. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    This is how a knockout happens (usually) - a boxer gets hit on the jaw, the jaw acts as a lever spinning the head around. The brain sits in fluid inside the head. The brain does not spin at the same rate ( a little delayed) as the skull. The brain comes in contact with the skull. This causes a concussion which causes a lack of consciousness (all the way from getting your bell rung to lack of motor control to unconsciousness).

    All the headgear does is protect the wearer from cuts and also cushions the blow a little on non-knockout punches as well as protect the hands of the puncher.



    It's the lenght of the bout. (only 3 rounds)
    It's the scoring system. (Many weak blows > 1 stong blow)
    Heavier gloves don't make your punches less powerful (Not an important difference) but they do make your punches slower.
    Slower punches means your head spins slow.
    (Compare it getting hit by a 5km/h freight train and a punch from foreman, the train has more power yet only foreman knocks you out)
    Also bigger gloves are a better cushion.
     
  5. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All good points. However I have seen 100s 0f KOs in the AMs. Most are flash KOs where the ref had no time to react. The REF is the key to the lack of KOS in the AMs. They are quick to give 8 counts and to stop fights if a boxer is taking too much damage. I disagree about the headgear stopping KOs. It is designed to minimize cuts and damage done by headbutts. Not to soften a punch. In fact the headgear makes for a larger target so it makes landing a punchto the head area easier. I also disagree about AMs not punching with power. After the age of 12 most do. Those under 12 punch hard for their age but lack the technique to make their punches as effective. I ALSO disagree that the 10 and 12 ounce gloves lighten impact all that much. Plus the extra weight tends to cause more blunt force. The heavier gloves are more for hand protection than punch decrease. The 10 and 8 ounce gloves in the pros cause more hand injuries and gives the puncher more speed. Put a 12 ounce glove on a true HW and it is like getting hit with a 3 pound sack of wet sand.
     
  6. tmsbry

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  7. Check_Hook

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    One of the most idiotic post ive ever read
     
  8. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    in boxing you're taught to really snap you're punches like the jab and such unless you're really digging into the body.

    since the chin is held down the forhead is more open to cover the chin. The forehead is protected by the headgear. When you get hit with those snappy punches, you won't get that sharp pain you feel from a snapping punch because it isnt in contact with your face. Unless you get a clear shot without touching the headgear that snap won't hurt as much and wont produce as much knockout power. Now the guys who really dig onto there punches the impact of the punch will be spread onto the guys head.

    this is what im assuming, testing it out to when i spar with open faced and then the facebar headgear. with the facebar headgear i feel as if i can walk past through guys jabs, not a good idea but yeah. With the open faced if i get hit on the forhead which is almost always then i can walk through it.

    I could be wrong, someone can correct me
     
  9. boxeo#1

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    Glove size not really. It's the shape. They're made in such a way that you can't really make a strong fist and thus punch hard. Very uncomfy gloves if you compare it with 8oz Reyes for example.

    The above is just one element. Other elements are the use of headgear, a lot of young guys with not a lot of experience, point scoring system, duration of bouts (short time very high pace, more about technique and scoring points then settling down and trying to do a lot of damage), knockdowns are not rewarded with more points, and probably some things I've missed.
     
  10. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you noticed those gloves are tight together by velcro? The fitting certainly would not be as comforming a laces. Would you know what brand they are and are they specificially design for amateur boxing?
     
  11. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's because the shitty points system makes them just throw fast arm punches, instead of sitting down on their punches.
     
  12. Bazooka

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    Not all Amateur gloves have Velcro just saying....
     
  13. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tell me about it, look at these pussies...

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  14. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Now that is not a good example! -))) To me those headgears are protecting the majority of the jaw. Just saying as other headgears may be different.
     
  15. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    It only really protects against bruises/cuts and a broken jaw.