KO12 Kostya Tszyu, KO4 Jose Luis Castillo

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  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    but he would have struggled with Fighting John Smith of Clapham street IBU world champion 1913-1916 record 4 wins 2 losses 178 no descisions
     
  2. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  3. Expert

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    can happen
     
  4. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Conteh
    Buchanan
    Minter
    Finnegan(both of them)
    Graham
    Benn
    Eubank
    Watson
    Lewis
    Honeyghan
    Colin Jones

    Those are the british fighters of recent years that i would take over Ricky head to head as his career stands right now.Some are arguable of course and Hatton already has accomplished more than some.
     
  5. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ken Buchanan beat Carlos Hernandez who was a former Jr.welter champ.

    Ken Buchanan beat.......AL Ford who was 40-1
    Andries Steyn .....25-2
    Chang Kil Lee............19-0
    Jim Watt..................15-2(future Champ)
    Donato Paduan0.........22-0 was a welter and
    Buchanan still beat him.
    Chris Fernandez.................20-2-4
    Maurice Cullen.................. 40-5
    Rene Roque........................21-2-4
    Carlos Ortiz.......................61-6-1
    Frankie Otero....................40-2-2
    Antonio Puddu...................52-2-2
    Chu Chu Malave................20-4-2

    Notice how Buchanan's opponents have winning records.I bet you Buchanans comptetion has a better win/loss ratio then Hattons.
    Hell Duran would crush Hatton inside of 9 rounds.
    Without the foul Buchanan more then likely lasts the distance with a man considered by most to be the greatest lightweight EVER.And Buchanan didn't run or hold to survive those 13 rounds.He fought back as best he could.

    And how the hell would you see Hatton beating Lauguna who is considerd to be one of the fastest lightweights ever?WHO HAS HATTON EVER FOUGHT WHO COMES CLOSE TO THE SPEED OF LAGUNA???:deal

    PS
    I respect everyone's opinion.This is just my opinion/arguement for Buchanan/Hatton.
     
  6. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    let's go thru that list shall we. :yep

    colin jones - fell short against mccrory and curry in world title fights. terrific puncher, but achieved more than hatton. :roll:

    lloyd honeyghan - great win over curry. but he misfired badly after that and got whipped by starling and breland. not to mention that **** up against vaca. :patsch

    lennox lewis - obviously achieved more than ricky. :good he still got ktfo twice by bottom half of the top 10 fighters though. :yep if that had happened to hatton, he'd be laughed out of town round here. :hi:

    michael watson - great win over a raw nigel benn. but fell short against mccallum and lost to eubank.

    chris eubank - probably still a little ahead of hatton at this stage. although some would argue hatton's 15 wbu defences was no worse than some of eubank's wbo defences. :yep

    nigel benn - another one ahead of hatton at the moment. shook off early career losses and had some quality wins along the way and made 9 title defences at super middle. :bbb

    herol graham - great talent who would have certainly won a world title today. but the facts are that he still fell short. :-(

    finneghan bros - who???? :lol:

    alan minter - good win over in the states to win the title. made a couple of defences and got whipped by hagler. :bbb all those losses he had doesn't help his case of topping hatton. :nono

    buchanan - read previous posts on this one.

    conteh - won a title after foster had gone and a few decent tough cases were around. career went a bit flat though and didn't have hatton's longevity to be ahead of ricky. :bart
     
  7. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i'm still not buying it. :nono

    he beat some good fighters.

    but no one particularly special.

    so al ford was 40-1. :yep but look at his record ffs. :patsch first time he fought outside canada for a meaningful title and he lost. :lol:

    so chang kil lee was 19-0. :yep but look at his record ffs. :patsch first time outside of seoul, korea and he loses. he fights outside korea in another meaningful fight and loses. :lol:

    i'm sensing a pattern here. :yep
     
  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe's opponents have a good win ratio...but it falls apart when you analyze a little deep and see who they beat to built their records. Then if you look at the records of the fighters who were beaten by the fighters who were beaten by the fighters who were beaten by Joe it gets even worse.
     
  9. Cobra33

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    VINCE PHILLIPS-wasn't he like 40 years old when Hatton fought him.
    Ray Olivera- Wasn't he basically done BEFORE HE FOUGHT HATTON.
    Carlos Wilfredo Vilche-Didn't SHARMBA MITCHELL BOUNCE HIM OFF THE CANVAS FOR A 4 round stoppage.Hatton went the distance.


    I want you to tell me who you think is the fastest fighter Hatton has ever fought?
     
  10. hitman_hatton1

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    i'd still argue oliveira and phillips are better than a lot of guys in that list there. :yep

    i'm not saying buchanan didn't fight some good fighters. :nono cos he did. :yep

    but hatton has whipped virtually every guy he's fought and hasn't been beaten in the 10 yrs since he turned pro.

    buchanan doesn't have a win as good as tszyu. :nono i'd also argue he doesn't have a win as good as castillo.

    laguna largely fell short in his biggest fights. he had that 1 great win over ortiz. but then lost to ortiz twice and also lost against flash elorde, vincente saldivar and drew with nicolino locche.

    castillo has good wins in his career over some of the top fighters he has fought.
     
  11. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    remember Vince Phillips was WAY past his prime when he fought Hatton.

    KT's best years were behind him when he fought Hatton.

    You still didn't answer my question:Who do you think is the fastest fighter Hatton has ever faced?

    And don't forget Laguna cut up Mando Ramos!
     
  12. Dekkers

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    I'm pretty sure Hatton never fought a fighter in Rings top 10 before his fight with Tszyu so the resume is pretty thin up to that point, but credit to him he undoubtedly showed he deserved to be in the same ring.
     
  13. hitman_hatton1

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    collazo is probably the quickest fighter hatton has fought.

    and oh yeah he won that to.

    up a weight as well. :yep
     
  14. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Collazo is kinda of quick but is more awkward then quick.And Collazo is NOWHERE NEAR LAUGUNA IN HANSPEED.
     
  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Laguna was very quick and threw a great array of punches but just don't see him been big enough to match Hatton. But I respect your opinion and know I sound a bit like a newb comparing Hatton to these great fighters but thats just the way I feel, maybe its time to accept him as an ATG- a Britsh ATG at the very least.