KO12 Kostya Tszyu, KO4 Jose Luis Castillo

How can Lewis beating Holyfield/Tyson be too late in their careers compared to Hatton beating Tyszu/Castillo?

 

I dont understand why we have to rank Hatton before he retires.

Surely once he has retired, then we can rank him in the pantheon of british greats.

 

I'd leave Casamayor well alone. Hatton has never looked impressive against southpaws,Magee,Collazo,Urango

 

I never bought into the Magee thing. Two bad rounds then he sailed the rest of the way. Urango was dominated. He just happened to be ****ING strong and could let some disgusting uppercuts off to the body. Collazo was a ***** but he was a good fighter and a good 10-15 pounds naturally bigger than Casa.

Ultimately yes they were tricky lefties, as is Casa, but look for Hatton to implement his size advantage. He'd be stronger and more powerful. I think it would be telling.

Casa said it - I'm the best at 135, he is the best at 140. Let's make it happen. I agree 100%.

If Hatton wants to keep it exciting then choose Diaz who is also an impressive fighter.

 

Generally I do agree. Our P4P number 1 hasn't posted an exiciting performance in a while. We have no heavies who could build any sort of great legacy. Fighters aren't hungry etc

You are nuts to put Hatton in that list.

Hatton is a mauler and brawler. That's what he does. That's his style. It's won him two GREAT fights.

99.9% of you didn't know Hatton was this good. Some of us always have. Instead of admitting 'he is ****ing good', you all find excuses and hate.

 

Methinks Jeff is a little bored

 

Ken Buchanan - Laguna x2, Ruben Navvaro
Jimmy Wilde - Joe Symonds, Tancy Lee
Jackie 'Kid' Berg - Kid Chocolate x2, Tony Canzoneri quite possibly the best ever brit win
Benny Lynch - Peter Kane, Small Montana

 

I don't think Hatton is/was a great fighter. 'Great' to me means the likes of Mayweather, Jones, Hopkins... in his prime Hatton was probably a very good 140 pounder.

I don't agree with the logic behind 'greatness is about taking risks' either, despite it being an admirable trait. Especially if those risks (Pacquaio & Mayweather) susbsequently end up exposing the level at which a fighter is capable of performing. Kevin Lueshing took a risk fighting Tito Trinidad, that doesn't make him a great fighter.

I personally think Hatton fighting at 140lbs is nonsense at this stage in his career. Boiling down to that weight isn't doing him any favours, its certainly not going to increase his level of performance, he'd be better off and more comfortable making 147, given that he his boiling down from super-middleweight :roll:.

He can't perform at the higest level at either weight anymore, so best to choose the weight that takes the least toll on his fragile and abused body.

That said, fighting Casamayor wouldn't be a bad idea for Hatton at this stage. He's made a career of fighting the right opponents at the most opportune times, may as well continue that trend with a farewell fight against a shot lightweight.

 

I wouldn't say Hatton was a great fighter, full stop.

The word 'great' is seriously overused. Very good is more appropriate in his case, as proven by his resume of solid wins, vs the two losses against great fighters at their peak.

The win over Castillo can obviously be nitpicked, bearing in mind he did little, well nothing, of note following the fight, which was fairly one sided.

There is a lot of revisionist history regarding the Tszyu victory, which annoys me. He was expected to give Hatton a pretty quick beating, whilst the fight panned out as a nip and tuck affair with Hatton having too much in the end. It certainly wasn't the performance of a 'shot' fighter.

 

Yeah, I agree with what you say about the Tszyu fight, a great win however you look at it. Just unfortunate it came when it did, because it leaves it open to unwarranted criticism that Kostya was 'shot'.

Although for me, Castillo was certainly shot and that isn't a great win. The JLC that fought Corrales would never have given that kind of performance.

 

:deal. Imo Ricky was a very solid two weight world champion who was at his level till he started getting ahead of himself and went looking for the bigboys. He didn't have the tactical brain or skills to win against the elite fighters but against other world class opponents he could more then hold his own and even out box some fighters. He falls way short imo of being a elite world class fighter...he's more in the second tier of world boxing which is till pretty good.

 

I think you can give a pass for a bit of revisionist on the Castillo fight - he wasn't on top form in the Ngoudjo fight, though that may have been due to lack of motivation in part.

Either way, Hatton shredded him like you would expect a pretty much prime guy to beat a faded, above their weight fighter.

I think Hatton slipped a great deal after the Floyd fight, not so much physically but mentally. Perhaps when you get pretty much to the pinnacle of boxing before being taken apart would affect him. I haven't been there so don't know!

He slipped physically after ditching Kerry Kayes, a seriously dumb move - Paulie was never going to be a threat stylewise, a hittable boxer type with no power is meat and drink to any version of Hatton. I'd say the Hatton of 2000 would have easily beaten that Paulie.

 

What magnitude ?

Hatton cheated his way to victory in one of the worst refereeing performances I've seen outside of Joe Cortez and then Kosta went and retired, which shows you how much he had left and how much he wanted to be in the game !


Jose Luis Castillo ? Who then went and lost a SHUTOUT decision against Sebastian Lujan ?



You've obviously been fooled by Ricky Hatton's career, and im glad he the truth was brought out where he was EMBARRESSED by Mayweather and Pac.

What a disgrace, and to think I actually thought he had decent chances of winning those fights. Never again.