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Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by BoxingDialogue, Jul 30, 2019.


  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No your a hypocrite because of your massive double standards, whether Margarito had wraps or not is irrelevant, he was accused of it just like Pryor.


    Your also an idiot. Your opinion is not a fact. Him being your friend is irrelevant, I imagine Ted Bundy had friends. He's still guilty.
    The fact you say we should investigate the facts but the only fact you can provide is that he's a good guy. Which is an opinion anyway is pathetic
     
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  2. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Tony was accused based on a blatant lie from a worthless POS KNOWN for doing what he did to his fighters opponents. The stupid CSAC ran with it BEFORE any tests were ever done
    Now go away go play with MVC
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When was Moselys camp ever done this before? Please explain.
    How the **** do you test for plaster? It's on camera and fell out of the glove with witnesses
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Mosely is a known proven & self confessed Ped's abuser he was just obviously juiced again. I was talking about Nazim Richardson who is known fror causing a ruckus in opponents dressing rooms.
    Your last statement proves you know NOTHING about what happened ROFLMAO Nothing fell from his glove No one else other than Richardson claimed to have seen anything He obviously LIED!!
    The independant lab in Ca microscopically searched for plaster but couldnt find any because there never was any.
    BTW IF plaster had been discovered no one would be screaming louder than me for Tony to be indicted because I hate cheating in boxing in any form no matter who it is. They couldnt find plaster because there never was any
    No you know the truth of the matter so STFU!!!
     
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  5. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Having some knowledge of the process involved in getting a fighter wrapped and gloved up for a professional fight, I have always been dubious about the plaster handwraps story. Three or four years ago I listened in on a discussion about the accusations against Margarito. The men doing the discussing had, between them, at least 200 years of experience in boxing. They had wrapped and gloved fighters for club shows in the US and Mexico, for fights on HBO, Showtime, PPV and on network television, for fights in LA, Vegas, NYC, and for world title fights in the US, Japan, Europe and Mexico.

    Not one of them believed that it was true. At least a couple of these men also knew Margarito and said he would never be involved in such a thing.
     
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  6. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The people who demonize Margarito are low IQ and lack the ability to make basic rational analysis.
     
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  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements, state Department of Justice says
    MARCH 26, 2009 | 3:09 PM
    The hand wrappings confiscated from former world welterweight champion Antonio Margarito minutes before his scheduled title defense against Shane Mosley in January contained calcium and sulfur, two of the primary elements of plaster of Paris, a state Department of Justice laboratory reported in documents obtained by The Times today.

    Hardened gauze pads that were inserted inside the wrappings around Margarito's knuckle area were seized Jan. 24 after Mosley's trainer Nazim Richardson objected to their use.

    Margarito proceeded to lose his title in a ninth-round technical knockout by Pomona's Mosley, and the California State Athletic Commission subsequently revoked the licenses of the Tijuana fighter and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, and the pair will likely not be allowed to fight in the U.S. until next year.

    A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen. The report was dated March 19. "The commission's decision appears to be supported by that report," said Karen Chappelle, the state supervising deputy attorney general for licensing who urged the California commission to revoke the fighter and trainer's licenses. "The only things that are allowed in hand wraps are gauze and tape and those items aren't gauze and tape."
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Margarito, trainer banned in U.S.
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    Voting 7-0 on both motions for revocation, the panel found that they put a plaster-like substance on illegal pads inside Margarito's hand wraps.

    Prior to the fight, in which Margarito was knocked out in the ninth round, Mosley's trainer, Naazim Richardson, had objected to the way Margarito's left hand was wrapped. When the wrap was cut off, officials found a suspect bandage wrap inside the knuckle pad that would be placed over Margarito's hands.

    Richardson then insisted that the wrap on Margarito's right hand be checked and another identical illegal pad was discovered.
    Margarito eventually had his hands rewrapped and went on to lose the fight.

    The panel rejected Margarito's plea of ignorance -- he told the panel that he just held up his hands to be wrapped -- and Capetillo's insistence that he had simply made a mistake during a hearing that lasted more than five hours in Van Nuys.

    Che Guevara, the inspector responsible for supervising Margarito's hand wrapping, testified that he had never seen that sort of pad used before, apparently missing it being slipped into the initial wrap before Richardson's objections.

    Another inspector, Mike Bray, said during questioning that he had seen the pads and that they were "moist and dirty looking with a white substance smeared across the pad, like a cast plaster."

    The commission has yet to identify the substance on the pads and said it won't know what it is until testing is completed next month.

    Capetillo said he accidentally put the wrong inserts into his fighter's hand wraps, reaching for the wrong pads in his equipment bag.

    "I committed a big mistake," Capetillo told the panel and the standing room-only crowd. "I don't want this young man [Margarito] to have problems. I'm here to cover any responsibility. I take full responsibility. I committed this innocent mistake."

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    "The conduct of both Mr. Margarito and Mr. Capetillo was unacceptable and threatened the health and safety of another licensee," Carrie Lopez, the director of the state's Department of Consumer Affairs, which licenses fighters, told The Associated Press. "Today's action shows that both the Department of Consumer Affairs and the California State Athletic Commission take the issue of boxer safety very seriously, and will move quickly when a licensee's actions threaten the safety of others."
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I'd bet a lot of money that Margarito used illegal wraps during the first Cotto fight too (whether he knew about it or not). That fight, and the accumulating impact of Margarito's punches on Cotto, looked fishy in real time.
     
  10. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Unless the 2nd fight he mixed it in a non-black bottle, same results. Pryor was known as perpetual motion since his amateur days. But as someone told me in another thread, athletes use it in amateurs & Olympics.

    His upbringing/abuse/molested IMO certifies the rage he had.
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good video on the wraps. Includes a detailed account of the inspection process that turned up the dangerous illegal pads (from Thomas Hauser's "Winks and Daggers") and offers a very reasonable analysis of the facts.

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  12. Rspen46

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    That's very funny an energy booster, you say it like he too some gatorade or something instead of the mix of drugs he took including amphetatmines and others, he was high for 95% of his bouts, I know I worked out and worked at both of his Cincinnati gyms and was a gofer for him and his crew along with 3 other guys that worked out there also. it was 100% a known fact he was always high, Lewis just helped refine his pre fight mix a little and started giving it to him in the corner instead of just him randomly taking what he wanted before fights. and Pryor really believed the drugs had no influence on his victories, but it's what kept him from getting knocked out on several occasions, his camp knew that, but he believed he could beat anyone and I believe he knew nothing about what Lewis was doing in his corner, Pryor was that dumb, uneducated and plain dumb, he had some street smarts but not much. His entourage ripped him off of everything he had before they hit the road when everything fell apart, I remember when that happened and could not fight for a long time, he would come to the gym, no huge entourage to be found, they were all gone, he thought they were his friends, all that were left, were us guys that worked out there and a handful that worked at the gym as I did, he had nothing left, he stayed high all the time. For his fight with bobby joe young, may have possilbly been one of the few if any other fights he was 100% clean, that fight, that was the real Aaron Pryor, he fought the same as he always did, he just did not take punches and Young beat him easily, as Arguello would have done if Pryor had been clean. But lewis cheated not pryor, he had no clue.
     
  13. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree it is different even though both would be cheating. One was boosting what is already in the body and the other is using a weapon. A weapon seems like a worse offense, and it is.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    So wait, you were aware of this for a long time and did not report to proper authorities. Geez. Complicit.
     
  15. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    THIS PERSON IS A FRAUD AND 100% LIAR. PAY NO ATTENTION. CHECK OUT HIS HIT JOB ON ALL PRYOR THREADS. RICHAND?