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Deontay Wilder flooring Tyson Fury twice and successfully defending his title is something you guys purposely leave out all the time and it blows any argument you're trying to make.

Wilder successfully defending against Fury was a better successful defense than any defense Marciano made. Layne and Matthews weren't even title defenses, and Matthews was a SMALL light heavyweight. That would be like if Wilder obliterated a super middleweight contender right now, like Billy Joe Saunders. That's a joke.

Apples to apples.

Do you honestly believe Harry Matthews is a tougher out than Tyson Fury?

I'm not going to do this today. I just hope all these threads are preserved and you guys stick around for a couple years. Because they're going to be hysterical soon.

 

Seriously? Did you actually type this? And Marciano beat his brother in a fixed fight.

Since you brought up middleweights, though, Wilder should also fight Canelo.

Canelo's got a longer reach than Marciano had. And Canelo is a Hall of Famer. And he's a lot tougher to beat than Harry Matthews. He's bigger than Mickey Walker, who fought Schmeling and Sharkey and those guys. And Canelo won a super middleweight belt. Maybe Canelo will win a light heavy strap against Kovalev and Canelo and Wilder could fight on PPV?

That would be a nice way for Wilder to get his 50th win ... and a big PPV bonanza.

How many heavyweight champs fought former middleweights? Hell, Canelo is 180 on fight night. That's plenty big.

Yeah, Wilder's been doing it wrong all these years fighting guys who were 20, 30, 40 and 50 pounds bigger than him for years and years.

He should've been fighting all those GREAT smaller champs and tearing their heads off. Right?

That's what Rocky and Dempsey and Frazier and all of them did.

 

Back then, a lot of LHW fought at HW because there was no CW division. Had Kovalev ever fought at HW (or even CW) effectively, then he would be a legit opponent against Wilder.

Usyk would be the best Wilder's win. So would be quite a few CWs.

Wilder doesn't have to fight champions, but it would be nice to see him fighting good contenders. Outside of Fury, Ortiz and 1st Stiverne fights, he just didn't do that. He has been fighting extremely weak competition since the beginning of his career.

 

That's not a win though.

Wilder didn't win this fight, so it's not relevant but - Charles and Moore wins are better than Fury.

No, but Wilder didn't win that fight.

 

The difference between Canelo and Walker is that Walker fought against heavyweights. Canelo never tried that. If he did with decent success, then I wouldn't have anything against that. But he didn't and likely won't, so it's irrelevant.

Back then we have much less divisions and fighters could fight at HW at any weight they wanted. That's why it was the most impressive title in boxing world. Today boxing is much different.

You seem to try to convince me that Wilder beating smaller great fighters would be worse than beating bigger weak fighters. You won't find success here tough, as I agree with that.

 

They all weigh more than 175 when they step in the ring, because the weigh ins are like 30 hours before the actual fight.

They would all be legit opponents for any other former champ, just not Wilder.

And they would all be easier for Wilder to beat than the guys he has been fighting.

That's the point you don't seem to grasp.

Even guys like Eric Molina (who admittedly sucked) knocked out former light heavy and cruiser champ Adamek.

You can bash Wilder's opponents all you like. But he's fighting guys who were tougher outs than freaking Buster Mathis and Harry Matthews, for god's sake.

You're wrong about Wilder. Comically wrong. He's an all-time great. He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's making his 10th consecutive defense next. Some of you guys aren't the brightest bulbs, clearly. Some day you'll catch up.

There's always a straggler on the bandwagon.

 

I don't care how much they weigh. They don't try to fight bigger fighters like they used to back then. Weight is only a number, if you are proven against bigger guys then you are good contender. Easy, isn't it?

Buster Mathis was better fighter than 90% of Wilder's opponents. Who is better than him? Fury, Ortis, maybe Stiverne and Washington? Yet it's not even top 10 Ali's opponent.

 

BTW, Szpilka is one of the best Wilder's wins and he's LHW.

 

The heavyweights Walker fought weren't 6'9" 260 pounds.

If Wilder signed to fight Canelo, the backlash would rival any in memory.

But I'm glad to see you're receptive to the idea. When Wilder signs to fight Gvozdyk, hope to see you back here as a CHEERLEADER for it.

Gotta go.

 

Jesus.

Not when a guy is 6'9" 260 pound switch-hitting lineal heavyweight champion.

If Wilder said he wasn't fighting a rematch with Fury, but he decided to fight one of the light heavyweight champs or Canelo instead ...

Are you telling me you'd be starting threads saying "WEIGHT IS JUST A NUMBER?"

Sorry. I'm calling bull on that.

I'll believe that when I see it.

Have a nice day.

 

I don't care about size, I know that heavyweights were smaller back then. You don't understand what I am talking about. It's not H2H debate, it's a resume discussion about greatness.

Wilder hasn't accomplished anything to call him ATG so far. He's not a real HW champion, he just holds one of the belts. He hasn't beaten any other main contender so far. Fury drew with him, he didn't fight Joshua, Ruiz, Whyte. He beat Ortis and that his biggest accomplishement.

 

Oh please. I wouldn't take Buster Mathis over Sergei Liakhovich.

 

Stop talking about Fury fight, he didn't beat him. Not to mention that Fury is far from GOAT either.

My point is that fighters you compare him to fought and beat a lot of opponents who were absolutely the best in the world, the best available. Who did Wilder actually beat that you'd call that way?

 

It's always a head-to-head debate at heavyweight.

We're not comparing featherweights to light heavys.

We're comparing heavyweights to heavyweights. Middleweights to middleweights. Light heavys to light heavys.

Wilder said he entered the ring at 206 against Fury. Guys like Canelo weigh in the 180s on fight night.

The only difference between the champs you guys praise and guys like Wilder, who you dismiss, is if Wilder fought someone like Canelo or Kovalev instead of Fury or Ortiz or any other heavyweight, you'd go bat-**** crazy and proclaim them ridiculous mismatches.

And then you get on threads and tout Marciano's win over someone like Harry Matthews.

You guys are hypocrites.

That's all.

 

Because you are biased. I don't even like Mathis or 1970s, but he was definitely good contender at his peak. Nevertheless, he wasn't even Ali's 10th best opponent. Not even Frazier's 5th best opponent.