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What parts did you disagree with? That all heavies should be held to the same standard? That Ingemars best opponents would lose to Wilder's?

The best hw during the current era has not been made explicitly clear due to a number of factors. Fury was borderline undisputed then he went nuts and binged on drugs just when we'd get a clear picture. Wilder tried to fight him but he was doing coke and eating food. Wilder was even asked to step aside as mandatory challenger so that Wladmir could take on stiverne and get the last belt he needed for undisputed (wbc), buy interestingly he made no attempts to unify with wilder:

https://www.ringtv.com/338333-deontay-wilder-would-step-aside-for-10-million/

To wilders credit, he refused and beat Stiverne. Then as i mentioned he called out fury and tried to get him to get his lfie together so they could make a mega fight but that went nowhere and fury was Mia.

Then there's the povetkin fiasco. You had a #1 contender and former gold medalist veteran, excellent opponent on paper. Wilder even agrees to go to his country. Guy pops dirty for banned substances and somehow this is Wilder's fault.

Charles martin picks up the vacant paper belt in a bizarre fashion (via freak injury), Joshua picks up said vacant paper belts by beating Martin. Joshua then is somehow able to fight ex champion Wladmir (who was coming off a loss) for the vacant WBA and IBO championships. He becomes the wielder of not 1, but 2 belts without actually beating a champion who held those belts! How?!?

Then parker wins a close MD over Hughie Fury for the WBO. Keep this in mind because Joshua then "beats" in a very ugly bout with a horrible ref who interferes every 20 seconds and wont allow any infighting or combinations...in great britain on top of all that.

Joshua has yet to convincgly beat an actual belt holder despite having 3/4 belts. How is this possible?

And that's not even getting into the fact Fury was still lineal or that Joshua's team turned down every attempt by team wilder to have their super clash for undisputed.

Joshua is supposed to fight his mandatory ortiz and pays him step aside money. After promising him a title shot, he somehow weasles his way out and wilder agrees to do Joshua job for him and steps up to the plate. Ortiz pops dirty, wilder fights him anyway and the same people who gave him no chance wont give him credit for this win.

Joshua gets his ass kicked by Ruiz, who is contractually obligated to rematch him so that option is out.

Fury barely escapes with his life after 2 savage knockdowns and blatantly ducks an immediate rematch to fight more bums.

Looking at all that, how and when exactly was wilder supposed to prove he was the best? And would it matter? If wilder faced joshua when it was supposed to happen and demolished him, im sure a lot of you guys would say Joshua was all hype. Had he KOd fury, the story would be "he was washed up, wasnt the same since the klitschko performance".

 

Ali was viewed as a loud mouth show pony till the Frazier fight

 

You have to be an elite fighter to give Wilder a tough fight? Are Spzilka and Duhaupas elite fighters?

 

Did you notice how I said "tough tough"? I said tough twice. I learned this from my dad actually. During the summer, when it used to get hot, he'd say "hot day, innit?" When it used to get really hot, he'd say "hot hot day, ****in' goodness!". You notice the difference? I can give you another example. One time I skipped class to go to the mall. Dad found out and he said "You're in serious trouble dickhead". Another time I got into a fight at school and didn't do so well. It was a tough tough fight. Dad found out and he said "You're in serious serious trouble you ****in dumbass".... So Szpilka was a tough fight. Ortiz and Fury were tough tough fights. Duhaupas was just a tough tough mf who wasn't going anywhere. Not a tough fight though.

 

Spzilka was a tough tough fight. He one every second of it before he was KOed. Had he had Duhaupas's punch resistance he would've beat, probably shut out, Wilder. He also penned the blueprint for Usyk and Ortiz to beat Wilder and why I'd back Chris Byrd to

 

What mate? Szpilka won every second of the fight before he was KO'd? Cmon man. He wasn't even winning the fight, let alone every second. You could say it was 4-4. But this fight was 3½ years ago. Wilder has gotten better over the years. Ortiz fought a better version of Wilder and he was outboxing Wilder. Szpilka didn't really outbox Wilder as much as he troubled him with his awkward style. He never had Wilder out on his feet beating the crap out of him. I do think Szpilka was a tough fight but Wilder wasn't regarded that highly back then. So you didn't have to be an elite fighter to trouble him since everyone was shitting on Wilder at the time calling him the "worst champion" and whatnot. Ortiz fought a better version of Wilder and gave him a tough tough fight. Fights like Szpilka and Washington prepared Wilder for Ortiz. But those guys never took Wilder to the limit the way Ortiz and Fury did.

 

To be fair i rate McFarland higher than Pac and Johnson higher than Holyfield, though i get the point of that

 

This is pure revisionist bull****. Walcott is a million times faster and more slick that Fury. Leave classic forum please

 

I would as well, but I'm confident he doesn't.