Kos and Diego - Fell in Love with The KO Feeling

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  1. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    GET BACK TO WHAT GOT YOU THERE!!!!! :twisted:

    Jesus Christ! Kos training 85% now in standup?!?!?!?! :patsch Diego only looking for a takedown once or twice over 15 minutes :yikes

    What the **** is wrong with these two? They should develop their standup enough so it's no longer a "weakness", but keep their ground games as their strength and main weapons :deal Diego is phenomenal on the ground, just imagine if he actually focused more on that then he did standup, Kos is a phenomenal wrestler....imagine he continued to improve in that area??? No but they are ignoring their best assets and trying to become premier strikers...which is gonna be their downfall. :deal
     
  2. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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  3. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    They probably made more money getting the KO... MMA is wanting to me pushed in that direction for its excitement.
     
  4. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Yeah but thats not the best entertainment. Because now what we have is fighters making their names with their ground games and then turning to striking. So we have to watch two wrestlers have a Kickboxing match. Neither of them are elite strikers so it's a fairly even match, and slightly entertaining...but not really quality. Why do I want to see Diego and Joe Daddy fight a kickboxing match???? I wanna see them go at it on the ground and see who's who! Leave the striking to Alves and Anderson.
     
  5. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    That;s the problem with some of these modern mixed martial artists. They start trying to "evolve" by training in the various disciplines - but they don't evolve as part of natural growth. Fight to your strengths - let the evolution happen as it comes. When you have top flight wrestlers and jiujitsuans trying to stand and trade like third rate kickboxers - then you have a problem.
     
  6. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was a great fight and a great upset stop bitching.
     
  7. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    This is why I love Maia, He is pure BJJ. He evolves his BJJ game. I truly believe that Wrestling has left BJJ as far as being dominant ground game. The only way for pure BJJers to catch up is to evolve their game. Master the art like Maia has, or Rickson before him. BJJ should be enough in MMA, but it has to be great. Average BJJs with average kickboxing aint going to cut it.

    With Maia he believes in the art, perfecting and honing it like boxers hone their skill. Unlike all these other fighters who are so sloppy in other forms just because they need to be "well rounded". Perfect a damn art and use it. Add to it but dont try to be a jack of all trades.
     
  8. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are we talking receiving or dishing out here??
     
  9. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Who's bitching? A great fight? What was a great fight, the Kos fight?
     
  10. Nuke

    Nuke Full Length Member Full Member

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    The Diego fight I thought was real good, I would have loved to see both of them work on the ground abit more. Just the few minutes combined in all three rounds there were a few reversals and postion changes both ways. I'd like to have seen more of that.

    The Kos fight, well Kos is just an arrogant ***** who thinks he is the best wrestler and now he thinks he is the greatest striker. He got what was coming to him in the striking game as well as he got it from GSP in the wrestling department. Unfortunately for him he won't get it and he will continue to think his wrestling is good enough to not have to train hard in anymore and his striking won't evolve any better then it is now.
     
  11. Cage Kennylz

    Cage Kennylz New Member Full Member

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    Well, I don't know if he still does, but, Diego used to train with De La Hoya, so I'm sure he is feeling confident with his striking and wants to show it off a bit. He looked really good when he fought Luigi.

    Kos comes from a primarily striking camp. I don't think that has much to do with, but I think it adds to it. I think the primary reason that Kos is trying to get in there and look for the KO is because I think he got A LOT of criticism for his "lay 'n' pray" style.

    I've noticed a lot of ground fighters have been looking to strike lately, look at Sherk, Tyson Griffin, BJ, Kos, Diego.

    Although GSP is the complete opposite now! Lmao.
     
  12. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree I said it about Kos after the Thiago Alves fight and even somewhat after the GSP fight.

    The GSP fight was understandable, GSP was coming off the loss to Serra and Kos thought maybe it was a sign of a bad chin, which does not seem to be the case, and he tried to take GSP down but got outwrestled.

    Against Alves it was twice as bad, because he barely tried to take him down, and when he did he didn't get it. Now, some people will just think "well, he tried it and it didn't work" which is true, but the reason it wasn't working is because he had not been dedicating his training to it and wasn't really sticking with that gameplan 100%.

    Now the Thiago fight is worse to me, because he might actually stood a better chance against GSP with a standing gameplan because GSP's wrestling and grappling are so amazing and Kos is a better striker than Serra, so I can understand devoting most of his training to striking if he genuinely thought it was his best shot of winning.

    Against Thiago however, no matter how much he trained standing, he was almost certainly going to be battered on his feet, and even if he wasn't standup striking is obviously the best part of Thiago's game. Had Kos put in the training to tune up his wrestling he may have been able to get that takedown he tried for.

    On the whole I do agree with the idea that too many good wrestlers are overlooking their overall grappling game to increase their striking. It works for some; Rashad right now and Chuck during his long run, but Rashad still is willing to engage in offensive wrestling, and Chuck made the change to his style gradually over time and even now seems willing to wrestle offensively again, plus Chuck had just supernatural power that let him know he could finish it with one shot.

    Look at Randy and Fedor, both become very proficient strikers over time but they never stopped earnestly training and improving in their Wrestling backgrounds, Judo/Sambo in Fedor's case. GSP as well, he still makes sure to improve things like his guard by going to Brazil when he almost never actually has to use his guard in a fight, but he knows he may have to, and yet at the same time making sure he becomes a better wrestler even though he may be the best in MMA at the moment.
     
  13. Cage Kennylz

    Cage Kennylz New Member Full Member

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    True. A lot of fighters have done this.

    First one that comes to mind is Arlovski. Used to use his Sambo a lot, but then became a good striker.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    He didnt have a choice. His stand up was shockingly bad. Problem is they learn to how to do one thing and neglect the other.
     
  15. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hear he never listens to his trainers.:verysad