Koscheck "I don't like losing to a French guy"

There are both black French people and white French people. So how exactly can French be a race in and of itself? HOW?! Two distinct categories of races coexisting under the same title of 'French'.

http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/english/8ab.asp

Can it be stated any clearer for you? If someone had said that they were racist against Americans, what would that mean exactly? There are Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Caucasian-Americans, African-Americans etc. Nationality and race are not the same. Is it that hard to comprehend?

 

Also I'd like to add that I am in no way making a point about black people getting away with being racist. It kind of feels like that is the direction this debate is headed. I often hear people of the far right galvanising their prejudice by playing the 'they can say it but we can't' card, trying to play up their victimisation in order to create more division and an 'us versus them' mentality.

I do not feel racism is something that can be measured in degrees of offensiveness: all racism is unaceptable, ignorant and unforgivable even if it is defined by ethnicity, nationality or religion wether it be aimed at black, white, french or islamic people.

I just notice a trend that since 9/11 some parts of the American media think it is OK to be racist towards the French, this is dangerous and irresponsible. I mean even the way the French guy who was in the prelim fights for this season of TUF seemed to be singled out and judged as a French fighter rather than just as a fighter. Dana even said 'he wanted to come here and prove that French people aren't pussies, well....(intimating that they are)'

 

For ****s sake. YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT RACE AND NATIONALITY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. But the term racism isn't used soley to refer to distinctions between races. It has become a term that we use to describe a prejudice or discrimination against people of a similar background based on religion, creed, culture or nationality.

I live in the UK and I am white. But if i turned around and said that Germans are all ****s and should be killed at birth. THAT IS ****ING RACIST.

 

If you truly understand the difference then your position is wholly illogical. Maybe you just don't want to accept it because it means that you have to admit to being wrong? The more that you fight it, the more that it further serves to shame you. Quit now and regroup.

Whatever happened to actually applying dictionary definitions to words? If individual words no longer carry individual meanings then what good are they they? Should the word 'dog' really man 'cat' just because a bunch of uneducated morons are too stupid to understand the difference between the two? Why have words at all then? We could simply communicate like cavemen with incoherent grunts and groans and just guess at the intent. Words have meaning for a reason.

Using your lack of logic we could describe overweight people as a race. Or people who wear glasses. Maybe different colors of ****ing Crayons should be a race too? Why not? Seeing as how words are useless and meant to be thrown around like confetti. At least in your mind that is. What's wrong with actually using the appropriate word intended for the appropriate context? What's wrong with being intelligent and using words as they were meant to be used? Is that too much to ask? Really? Is that your position?

 

I wanted to add this. As an American, I love French people. That's for real. I'm not defending Koscheck.

 

Is Koscheck trying to be the Floyd Mayweather Jr of MMA by saying stupid **** to rile up the other guy? I can't blame him though, compared to GSP he's such a big ass loser!

 

He's just a pompous ***** who is going to get leveled by GSP.

 

Im still laughing at GSP playing dumb with writing his picks on the piece of paper and making sure Koscheck could see it.

Then Dana when he says GSP well played Sir.

I could not stop laughing.

 

in any title fights you need someone to hype the fight a little, and GSP never does it by talking, he's not too fluid in english like most french-canadians , so basically most of his opponents just feel like they need to take on that role.

I hate Kos, but his thrash talk/impersonations/pranks weren't all that bad in tuf 12, i think hes quite funny so far, and french comments have always came out of americans at any given time because they've read somewhere in a book that the french people cowarded out of some war (wont be precise im terrible at history too) so it's not like it's only josh being discriminating, for a while now in america you say french they answer: coward. And i answer I dont give a crap im Quebecois :good. it's just the easy way to describe french as inferior, much as if you say muslim, 90% of american's preconception will be terrorists!

anyways so far Kos = pretty funny imo. he's still going to get ridiculed in december though.

 

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OK, but it does say ANY distinction exclusion. So that could literally mean anything. Overweight, wearing glasses, the wrong taste in music or clothes etc. It's a completely open-ended perversion of the true meaning of the word race or racism.

 

My god, you are a ******. You can't even ****ing read. It says it is wrong to make 'any distinction BASED ON race or

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Read it again you dumb mother****er and admit that you are as wrong as it is possible to be.

And anyway, this discussion wasn't about the true meaning of the word race, i never disputed that, it was about the fact that saying 'I hate losing especially to a French guy' is racist. You said it wasn't because France isn't a race, I said that that is semantics and that even though France is a nation to discriminate against the French is stil 'racism'

 

You can't properly define what racism is if you don't even understand what race is you brain dead fool. You just admitted that you're not disputing my definition of race. So how is it a semantics issue then? Does the United Nations have its own dictionary btw?

Answer this simple question. Are the French a race of people? Yes or no? Are you dumb enough to say yes? Is there an identifiable genetic element to being a French person? If the French are not considered an individual race of people (which we know that they're not) then how exactly can Koscheck's comments possibly be construed as being racist? You can ask your pals at the United Nations that one too.

 

It's the fallacy of equivocation, specifically committing semantic shift; a narrow and strict definition of the term 'racism' versus a broader one as defined by the UN.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation[/ame]

Spending all this time arguing word definitions is pointless; KOS is still a jackass either way.

 

A pretty damn good explanation.

http://www.picommentaries.com/SUB5.HTM