Kostya calls on Mundine to "Man Up" and fight Green

The IBO are getting a caning, and they:

1/ Allowed the title to change hands (to Mundine) in a fight where there was absolutely nothing between the fighters - how many title fights this close see the title actually change hands?

2/ Allowed Mundine to walk from the mandatory rematch (with Geale) straight into another 'World' title fight under their own juristiction. Still can't believe that happened!

 

What were the IBO thinking, bunch of useless ****s. atsch

 

Just expanding on the above:

Although fights are scored on a round by round basis, since day dot there's been an unwritten law that you 'had to beat the champ to become the champ'. As we know there's always been a 'loyalty' to reigning champions in title fight scoring, and for that reason Mundine was lucky to get the win against Geale, even though he probably just shaded him overall.

As just one random example out of the above out a hundered years plus of boxing:

Have a look at Ali v Leon Spinks I. I'm an Ali fan, but his performance was terrible, and Spinks owned him for 10 to 12 of the 15 rounds. The result, a spilt decision, and close cards.

Okay there's the Ali factor here too. But it's just one example (of thousands over the years) of boxing scoring's blind 'loyalty' to the existing champion.

Conclusion:
Mundine was lucky to get the nod from the IBO officials over Geale. NOT because he didn't win, but because boxing history says titles hardly ever change hands in fights that close.

 

Oh waa waa waa :|:|:|

So hard done by, poor widdle Choc, just as well he's got you here to leap to his defence.

 

"Conclusion:
Mundine was lucky to get the nod from the IBO officials over Geale. NOT because he didn't win, but because boxing history says titles hardly ever change hands in fights that close."


Mate, there's not much to achieve in arguing close decisions but really, some of boxings traditions are pretty stagnant, & this is one of them.

In racing they say "A nose is as good as 10 lengths". It's of no consequence how far he won by.
A judge scores under the 10-10 system. Tally's up the score, & the one with the most points wins.

Why does a title challenger have to be handicapped?
If we go down that road, we might as well give the champ carte blanche on the scales.

The whole Champion status has been watered down enough. If a fighter is a "champion" that lofty title needs to be earned, so if there is any onus on a fighter, we could well say that if the Champ does not make it a decisive victory, then he has not earned the "Champion" status.

As you can see, stagnant tradition breeds these types of circular debates.
Cheers

 

You might be surprised to hear that I agree 100% with what you've written above Rodin.

Not argueing the decision, the decision is already in the history books. My argument is based on the claim that the IBO were harsh on Mundine.

I based what I wrote on boxing history, including recent history, that shows it's harder to lose a world title than it is to win one.

(ask Jeff Fenech about his experience in Azumah Nelson I just as another random example of 1000 that could be easily quoted)

My view is Mundine probably won by 'a short half head in a photo finish' in racing terms, but in boxing terms, titles don't usually change hands when it's that close, and when they do the winner usually doesn't ***** about the organisation (IBO in this case)!

 

Rodin.... I agree with what you are saying and over the years I have always felt that in a close fight judges usually go the champions way because its a safe bet. I trained alongside Tim Witherspoon when he fought Larry Holmes. When they announced the decision I could not believe Tim lost. It was then stated as a challenger you have to take the title away from the champion. I thought thats what Tim had just done but was told different. In my eyes Tim wins every time I watch that fight.

 

Exactly the point I was making Flash - and rightly or wrongly that's been the case in boxing for generations.

Whether team Mundine want to admit it or not, Choc was lucky to get the nod when it was that close, and for that reason the last people they should be slagging off are the IBO.

I actually think Choc probably just shaded Geale on the night.

But anyone who claims they can precisely score a fight that's that close is kidding themselves - the 6 IBO judges all scored it differently to begin with!

...and the final tally was 3 each way, highlighting how close that bout actually was.

 

CHB....... I totally agree with what you are saying but I did not have a fallout with the IBO Khoder did. Please understand I will never know the reason for the fallout as Khoder and I dont talk apart from hello and goodbye sometimes.

 

Fair call.

When I've referred to 'team Mundine' it doesn't always mean you Flash. In some instances you weren't even on deck at the time, and in others plainly it was someone else responsible eg Khoder.

 

I guess trying to sell Falliga as a title defence is something even the IBO couldn't take.

 

Leon the IBO would have accepted anyone for a title defence. Ask Manny "the world rated cruiserweight" Siaca. He got a shot by making 160lb in his previous fight 12 months ago.

 

Perhaps not the best example Flash - how many times had Choc made 154 before being offered a 'World' title fight at that weight?

But in a way it supports your argument at the same time.

 

CHB now you understand what I am saying. The IBO titles are fought mainly as vacant titles. You can be a limited boxer but because you are a big table seller you bring a thai over fight for the IBO regional title. Win that and if you can sell enough tables you can then fight another thai for the vacant world title. And Leon says Choc couldnt fight Falliga for it. Please.

 

Well said!