Kostya Tszyu Extremely Overrated

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  1. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dozens and show me one fight where he was pushed like those 2.
     
  2. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have you watched his fight with Hector Lopez?
     
  3. zoo

    zoo Active Member Full Member

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    Bull****. He became undisputed by beating every other world champion. When he beat Judah everybody thought Judah was going to crush him and regarded Zab as the best. Likewise for his rematch with Mitchelle, Mitchelle was universally regarded as the #1 contender at 140lbs.
     
  4. ross

    ross Active Member Full Member

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    Then it's settled once and for all Judah and Mitchelle were the best of his era, check mate!
     
  5. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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    If you have seen that wrestling match you know the outcome would've been different if it wasn't in GB right? Because you mention nothing about that:patsch
    Nearly everyone knows Hatton wrestled Kostya to death with PLENTY of illegal tactics. Kostya fought the ref AND Hatton that night.
     
  6. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kostya? A boxer with probably the best timing ever? Kostya turned water into whine man! How many hyper fast and slick guys did he smash just from patience and masterful timing? He did all of this with decent power and OK speed. That is AMAZING. Overrated? Maybe. He is still the man. That BS MMA match with Ricky Hatton would have never happened in a country with decent officials. RH would have been knocked out!
     
  7. josjbp23

    josjbp23 Member Full Member

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    Alot of heat from who to make a rematch besides Mitchells own promoter or manager? If it was so warranted and wanted by everyone then was it put on ppv or showtime (seriously, because I think it was aired on showtime). It was just not a rematch that needed to be made. Would u have rather seen KT fight the rematch w/Mitchell or Phillips? I don't recall any experts predicting Mitchell would beat him in a rematch. I could be wrong, but if like u say is so then that says alot about how little confidence people had in KT.

    Competition slimmer at 147?? Welterweight has not had slim competition , ever! It has always been the gift that keeps on giving, its a very competitive weight class with always several A fighters in the same era. There is no way 140 had better competition than 147, the majority of the time the 147 division has more quality of fighter than 140.

    KT was short, but he was a well bullt fighter, I think there is no doubt he would of carried power up one more division. If he could not carry his power up just 7 pounds then he is an overrated puncher. But I don't think he was a weak puncher he had very good power to ko alot of fighters with one punch so it is a very good educated guess that he would of carried most of his power up in weight at least one weight class. He may not of been able to get 1 pch ko's like at 140 but he still would of been a strong puncher, strong enough to get the respect of alot of 147 fighters.

    Compare other fighters who have moved up with or w/o their power going with them. Whitaker from starting at 130 he had the guts and hunger to move to 147, Mosley started at 135, he had the guts to move to welter (where his power was still resepcted), Duran, Gatti, Corrales, DLH, I can go on and on. All these fighters started at lower weight classes than KT and they had the balls to go to 147. If these fighters I just named could do it, and KT is as good as you claim then why would he not do the same as other great fighters? All he had to move up was 1 division, unlike these other fighters who moved up 2 or 3 divisions just to get to welter. There is just no reason why KT could not of went to 147 (if he is as good as alot of his fans thinks he is).
     
  8. shanemfr

    shanemfr Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow why not just stick an i'm a ****ing idiot sticker on your forehead it will save you the time typing.
     
  9. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  10. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    Yes. He would have ended up REALLY hurt, with possible brain damage, had the fight went on. Tszyu was just starting to close the distance and find Judah. He was finding a clear headed Judah. He would have literally murdered a half conscious Judah. Zab didn't fall back down because he got up too fast, though that didn't help. He fell back down because he had no business remaining on his feet after that career changing shot. He was DONE!
     
  11. Dantes

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    :lol:
     
  12. Dantes

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    KT was a great fighter who I liked a lot. I also think he can get a bit overrated in the grand scheme of things due to his popularity. His attributes were his timing, power and ring generalship. His negative points were lack of decent fights (however it can be argued it was all he had available at the time) people using his amateur record to rank his pro career and some big losses. (phillips, hatton)

    The fight against Hatton for me was purely that Hatton wanted it more and went out and tore the title of Tszyu. Yes it was ugly and dirty, but i don't think it's fair to take the accomplishment away from Hatton...he deserved that win. I don't think KT is a 'quitter' either because he was later diagnosed with internal bleeding and bruising to his brain tissue. I'd rather his trainer Lewis didn't risk his life and throw in the towel than have another McClellan on our hands.

    You usually find the people labelling him a quitter have never boxed before and probably have a dislike for Tszyu so it comes from a place of ignorance and bias.
     
  13. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    Exactly - count in his amazing amateur career and you have a boxer that was amateur world class and pro world class for over twenty years. He is not the greatest but certainly one to match up to the greatest in the division.
     
  14. zoo

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    The point is at the time he fought Judah and Mitchelle they were considered the very best competition at 140lbs. There is no way of knowing who is going to be an all-time great, hell at that time the book was still wide open on Mayweather after his fight with Castillo. Hindsight is always 20/20, but look at old articles leading up those fights and check out how much praise Mitchelle and Judah got leading up those fights with Tszyu. Than Tszyu crushes them both inside of a few rounds and everybody backtracks and claims Judah and Mitchelle were no good to begin with.
     
  15. PorkChopExpress

    PorkChopExpress Champion of the Universe Full Member

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    Most who rate him rate him on his skills + career and achievements. Most who don't rate him base it on what he DIDN'T do.

    It's all opinion and semantics.

    He was a chess match boxer, a slugger and an absolute weapon. He has precision, timing, power and intelligence up there with the best. If you don't see it then fair enough - there are as many people who don't see what you do in some of your faves too.