Kostya Tszyu HOF????

IMO, Bungu was Hamed's best win. Still well short of Tszyu-Judah, but a very good win all things considered.

 

He obviously was for the taking since hamed took him. Diminished from his prime certainly.

Still it was a fight that had to happen imo. I do believe boxing politics robbed hamed of a greater legacy. He'd have been the first man to unify since the induction of the wbo trinket.

It's a shame he fell out of love with the sport. I remember when he fought mab and they did a documentary supposed to highlight how good everything was going and all it did was expose his mentality. Reminded me a lot of the one they did on dawson before he fought pascal. Spoke much more about family than boxing.

Perhaps he'd have lost to em, jmm, norwood, pac and gainer but either way there could have been some fantastic fights to be made.

I view hamed as clearly the best fw of his time. But the time immediately after his was much greater and considering his age it's a great shame he wasn't competing in it.

Certainly less great than zoo imo.

 

Summed up very nicely. Kostya was always going to be a lock for IBHOF honours.

 

On paper but Bungu as a come forward fighter was made for him, Kelley/Johnson were the trickier styles for him to overcome

I kept hoping he'd make a comeback

 

For the record JMM turned down career high money to face Hamed. Outside of Judah, Tyszu's resume is no better than Hamed's, I'd say worse as Hamed not only unified all the belts, he had some good champs coming up from 118 and 122, including arguably the no1 at 122 (Bungu). Also Hamed's first title was at 118lbs himself

Post Sep 11th he was getting allot of death threats. HBO wouldn't pay him the big money anymore, the sponsorship dried up. He also had £100million in the bank, got fat and didn't want to get back into shape.

 

I'm not a big believer in Hamed myself. However, I'd have liked to have seen him face guys like Norwood and Gainer, to see if he could've been successful against that slightly higher level of opposition. Barrera exposed the technical deficiencies that IMO Morales and Marquez would've too, whereas for me Pacquiao would've just burned him for speed and buried him under a blizzard of punches for an early rounds TKO, Naz wasn't that level of fighter, but I'd have liked to have seen how he'd have done with tricky stylists like Norwood and Gainer. Would have been very interesting to see if Naz could be successful with his style against guys a bit sharper than those he dispatched in his career.

 

Pretty much what I meant when I said the next era was much greater.

However I don't think he would have losed to them all because of how all the styles intertwined people could have vastly different degrees of success. I think pac gives him the best chance because of his lack of great defence back then but that relies on hamed getting back into the correct frame of mind.

 

Like I said before, it's mainly politics that deny hamed a greater legacy. Had he actually unified instead of being stripped people would look upon him more favourably.

I was a big fan of hamed; it was him, eubank and bruno that got me into boxing in the early 90's.

There's no point saying outside of judah because he beat judah in style. A man who was prime and p4p rated who would go onto have greater success.

I'm not interested in the reality of why fights did or didn't happen. What i'm saying is, had he got his head right and stayed around for a couple more years there were some big fights to be had.

I'm surprised he hasn't got in the hof yet, like I said I blame boxing politics.

 

The next era was greater but Hamed is getting underrated with the assumption he wasn't on the level on the basis on the fact he lost 1 fight to Barrera, who sensibly boxed on the backfoot and avoided engaging. If Morales and Pacquaio engage, which they would, Hamed would be in his element and he'd by far the biggest most accurate puncher either faced. Obviously he has weaknesses but his use of angles, his head movement and his counter punching are all great.

 

Well, obviously Naz's power makes him a live dog with most guys from in and around those weights from any era. If he caught Marquez with a big punch from an unexpected angle, it's eminently possible JMM wouldn't have been able to ride it out.

 

That's what I meant when I said about styles intertwining. Losing to mab doesn't mean you lose to em etc.

 

Who ever said this was a debate? You never produced anything that could have ever made it as such.You're completely and utterly clueless - that much has been shown in this thread,and your inability to detect blatant sarcasm in a previous thread in which you resorted to some lame "your mom" type joke.

 

And yet despite you getting all personal over it :fire:fire:fire, I was still right and you're still wrong, and everyone else on this thread still knows it.

Tszyu-Judah was a much better win than Hamed-Johnson or Hamed-Vazquez.

Simples. :smoke

 

Pretty much... plus he made Zab Judah break dance which was pretty funny.