Kostya Tszyu HOF????

OF COURSE Kostya deserves to be in the hall...and not just because it's concept has been so severely compromised by the admittance of Ken Norton, Ingo and Barry McGuigan...but rather he deserves admittance on account of his merits as a fighter..pure and simple...and to echo a previous post....he made Zab Judah do that wonderful chicken dance, and he came back to decisively trounce Mitchell like he did....just snatching the title away from him like he had never been away....and i say this despite the fact that he didn't try to avenge any of his defeats.

 

If the goal of the HOF was to let the top 150 or so best fighters of the last 120 odd years in, then the answer is no.

If the goal of the HOF is to let in guys at least as good as Barry McGuigan, Brian Mitchell and Daniel Zaragoza, then sure, I don't see why not...

 

You claimed he was cherrypicking them,Kitty.That he was somehow bypassing tougher competition in order to fight these men.Any reasonable person would know that these were the type of fights that Hamed had to fight in order to establish himself as the top of his division - the type of fights that are,unfortunately,rare in todays scene.Any reasonable person,that is,except you,apparently.

 

I think the aim is to give the paying customer a good weekend. To that end you need to induct famous fighters, which means not always the best.

For instance, I see Frank Bruno going in; and I possibly see Butterbean going in but as a honouree recognized for helping to increase mainstream attention for the sport in the 90s, rather than as a straight out and out boxer.

 

I have consistently said I wouldn't dignify your stupid point with debate, because it's all too obvious you're wrong, but since you are determined to be the turd that won't flush, I will happily correct you...

(even though everyone with at least one functioning brain cell still knows that Tsyzu-Judah was a much better win than Hamed-Johnson or Hamed-Vazquez irrespective of anything I say!)

Are you seriously trying to say that you can't cherrypick a belt, in this age of alphabelt titles?! When Hamed was WBO champion, he elected to face 33 year old Tom Johnson and 38 year old Wilfredo Vazquez, when Luisito Espinosa was in his late 20s holding the most prestigious belt, the WBC.

When a champion tries to unify against the easier option available for unification, it's a case of cherrypicking a belt (look at my avatar - even I must admit this is an example of that!!).

You see, you can't win and you won't win. :smoke Oh, and I don't know if I've mentioned this yet, but only a ****ing imbecile would dispute that Tszyu-Judah is a much better win than Hamed-Johnson or Hamed-Vazquez.

 

That bit was in response to another post on here.

I think legacy is equally important.

 

Legacy without considering resume is only paper achievements that don't stand up to real fans' scrutiny.

 

Yup, I had a feeling this would make "Goyourownway" mysteriously disappear from this thread after he's been relentlessly trolling it over the past couple of days with his stupid and unjustifiable opinions. Good riddens to rude rubbish. :hi:

 

Kitty,I'm not glued to my computer screen every single minute of the day.The fact that you think I'm avoiding your response on the basis that I failed to answer you response within under an hour says alot about your own life,quite frankly.


There's cherrypicking,and then there's going after the top fighters of the division.Unlike David Diaz,Tom Johnson was the number one rated Featherweight in the world when Hamed destroyed him.That's not an opinion,that is a fact - he was universally regarded as the best eatherweight on the planet.Age and what organizations belt is up for grabs have **** all to do with actual rankings.Wilfredo Vazquez,likewise,was rated in the top three or five when Hamed fought him.These were fights that,as a fellow world title holder,Hamed needed to fight.And in regards to Espinosa - yes,Hamed should have fought him.He had more than enough time to take the fight and he didn't.That doesn't,however,erase the fact that both Johnson and Vazquez were fights he needed to take.Only a complete moron would criticize him for taking these fights.



There isn't anything for me to win - you threw in the towel a long time ago and already conceeded defeat.You've not explained how a b-level fighter is "far superior" to a fellow b-level fighter,and you never will,as you're in capable of doing so,because you lack any understanding or knowledge of Judah's earlier career.This latest argument has come far too late and you've been reduced to nothing more than a source of amusement for myself at this point.



And in regards to my "relentless trolling" - you're in no position to be making such accusations,Kitty.In the last day or so,you've managed to bump several old,inactive and dead threads,just to prove a point against another poster whom you've been arguing with(seems to be a common threme with you,doesn't it?),clearly disrupting this section.

 

He ducked much less than rjj. Will Roy be inducted?

 

This idiot still doesn't get it, even after I've proved him wrong about Hamed cherrypicking belts when Espinosa was available.

Can SOMEONE please explain to this halfwit the difference between a 24 year old 27-0 fighter who would go on to win numerous world titles at different weights, and a 38 year old 50-7-2 fighter who would get TKO'd by Juan Lazcano, NEVER win another fight against a top 10 ranked opponent, then retire???

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You've not proven me wrong on anything,Kitty.I acknowledged that Hamed should have fought Espinosa,and I also pointed out that,in Johnson,Hamed was fighting an opponent that was ranked higher than him.Only somebody as stupid as yourself could possibly see one boxer fighting the very best that his division had to offer as somehow cherrypicking.



You're a boxrec ranger,Kitty - you should be able to read Johnson only began this dramatic decline after receiving a huge purse against Hamed and being beaten so thoroughly in the process.Not difficult to see why he would decline so dramatically following that;there are numerous examples of fighters that plunged into similar declines following a bad loss.And I don't know how he performed in those fights,do you,boxrec ranger?



And I've never claimed that Johnson was at the top of his game,nor did I ever argue that he was even as good a win as Judah was for Tszyu.The whole argument here,if you actually bothered to go back and read the posts,was your claim that it was "far superior".For such a win to have been so vastly superior,Zab Judah would have had to have been more than what he actually was.

 

Nah mate, you're failing as badly here as you did waaay back at the start of this thread.

The reason? Same as it has been for pages and pages:

 

Kitty,it pains me having to kick you when you're down,but,fact is,I've refuted every claim that you've made.The first time you actually put forth an argument,I broke it down and countered every point you made.And that why you've blatantly ignored my last two posts.



The only greater fail that could possibly surpass your "efforts" in this very thread,was the day your mother forcefully pushed you out of that used-up,decrepit hole that she passes as a vagina.

 

It really does expose what a terminal dumbass you are that you still don't understand this, even after I've tried my best to educate you a little.