Kostya Tszyu

I think Tszyu had greater potential and ability than his record suggests. I think in terms of ability at his prime he really is a great p4p fighter. Thats why he gets such a good wrap for a less than stellar record.

 

Not really. Tiger was a late bloomer and he was still good enough to beat great fighters like jose torres and nino benvenuti around the time foster fought him. Mccallum by the time he fought roy jones was FAR past his prime, no longer able to post wins over very good fighters. Mccallum wins means very little, he was practically washed up.

 

What has Benvenuti achieved at light heavyweight, where Tiger beat him? Nothing, whatsoever. Who did Torres ever beat? Mega-great Eddie Cotton? Maybe Willie Pastrano was a great fighter? Maybe 36-year old Olson was a great win? Great Jose Torres, my ass!

 

Jose Torres was one of Cus Damatos top pupils ala tyson and patterson with the peek a boo style. If you dont think jose torres was great, then clearly you have not studied his art on film. He would be a nightmare for most light-heavyweights head to head. Roy Jones never beat a 175lber as good as him, not even close.

 

There were so many boxers with good potential and skills, who haven't achieved anything much, that had it been up to you, we'd have half the boxrec as great. Jose Torres wasn't great.

 

Jose Torres was linear champ at 175lb, something roy Jones technically still never claimed cause he never beat the man who beat the man who beat the man..........etc etc. Technically that dude Zsolt undefeated is still linear champ.

 

Didn't Hoya, Mosley and Trinidad skip the 140 division. Why did they skip it?

 

Senya 13, what do you consider as a strong resume? Someone that beats all the main contenders in his own division, or somebody that beats up on a blown up lower weight division fighter?

Do you even know who guys like Eddie Cotton, Mike Quarry, Allen Thomas, Vicente Rondon, Chris Finnegan and Pierre Fourie are? All of them were top light-heavyweights of thier era and ranked very highlly. I guess the only fighters you are familiar with are the ones that appear on rings 80 best fighters list.

 

Linear championship means zilch, there were hundreds of linear champions in boxing history. When you have a resume as shallow, as Torres', there's no base whatsoever for being called great. He's another one of those Hall of Sh(F)amers who got inducted for fame more than for boxing achievements, which he has none, basically, a win over mediocre Willie Pastrano being his best achievement.

 

Yeah Willie Pestrano is now a mediocre contender fighter. What do you consider as decent resume, someone that only beats atgs.

 

Some second-raters on Joe Gans' resume have better wins than Jose Torres had in his whole career.

 

Like you have actually seen those guys fight?

I'm surprised you consider Foster's resume as weak, lol.

Henry Hank and Pierre Fourie were very legitimate fighters, you would have to look at them on film to truly appreciate them, not just look at resume. Foster actually beat like 6 or 7 solid light heavyweights, and make no mistake about it, all of them were ranked very high.

 

"Better wins" are just that, don't require the film. George McFadden or Dal Hawkins have more significant achievements than Jose Torres.

I don't care about how they look on film, the point is you either have the achievements or you don't. There were too many fighters in history who looked spectacular and showed good potential, but they have never achieved anything much. Hank and Fourie belong to the same category, they have nothing where all-time significant achievements are concerned. I can name a dozen names on Jones' resume of fighters who looked as good as Hank or Fourie, and even held some titles at some point, and a couple of dozens who were "solid", but the wins over whom don't bring many points to all-time status. Foster's resume is one of the weakest among fighters who truly deserve all-time great status (where he belongs due to his head-to-head potential).

 

if Clazaghe can be called great then you cant not call Kostya great
Kostya pounded an old Chavez. Joe C barely beat an older Hopkins.
Kessler and Zab are comparable victories for both. No Vince Phillips or Hatton yet for Joe and the who was Tszyu' Lacy.... Mitchell?
Tszyu beat a prime ZAB no one on Joe C' resume to me is a better win than that. I say if you can call Joe C great then so is Tszyu.

 

This is what i hate about this board.

They under value guys like Kostya because of one simple thing.

And thats his resume.

They dont look at these other facts.

Just going to do some other stats to show you the difference between the two which i feel there isnt much.

AARON The Hawk PRYOR
39-1-0 35 KO
11 World Title Fights all of them execpt 1 in America The other Canada
Overall Records of oppenents
945 Wins
432 Loses
49 Draws

Held the WBA title from Aug 1980 until Sep 1983
Held the IBF title from Jun 1984 until April 1985

The age of every title fight opponent
Cervantes 34 years old
Hart 27 years old
Blackmoore 31 years old
Johnson 21 years old
Montilla 30 years old
Kameda 27 years old
Arguello 30 years old
Kim 28 years old
Arguello 31 years old
Furlano 30 years old
Hinton 29 years old

KOSTYA The Thunder from Down Under TSZYU
31-2-0 25 KO
18 World title Fights 13 Title Fights Not in Australia

Overall Record of Oppenents
1107 Wins
132 Loses
28 Draws

Held the WBA title from Feb 2001 until Jan 2003
Held the WBC title from Nov 1998 until Jan 2003
Held the IBF title 3 Times from Jan 95-May 97,Nov 01- Feb 03 and Nov 04 to Jun 05

Is the Only man to Unify 140 division and held a title from 1995 to 2005

Age of every Title Fight Opponent
Rodriguez 30 years old
Mayweather 34 years old
Pineda 25 years old
Johnson 25 years old
Bergman 26 years old
Mas 25 years old
Phillips 34 years old
Hurtado 26 years old
Gonzalez 29 years old
Santos 26 years old
Chavez 37 years old
Mitchell 31 years old
Urkal 31 years old
Judah 24 years old
Tackie 28 years old
Leija 37 years old
Mitchell 34 years old
Hatton 27 years old

Now if Pryor is an all time great why isnt Tszyu with more Title fights against a better % Oppisition over a 10 year span instead of a 5 year span.

Yes Tszyu lost to Phillips aswell as Hatton but hey some other great fighters have lost easy fights to but going to England at the age of 36 isnt as easy as some would think.

Tszyu Yes he is a Great.