Kostya was shot

This is a fair and balanced viewpoint from a relative neutral not driven by some insane agenda. Others on this forum could take note.

 

3 years ago stop bitchin junior

 

JonOli - why do you always post ring rankings like it conclusively proves anything? They are just as much opinion as anything anybody on here posts

Besides, Castillo was ranked p4p when Hatton fought him and we all know he was well past it.

 

Thats just not true. The Ring rankings are compiled by a panel of experts, are respected and have to be justified within the sport. People on here could post any old crap, get no respect and don't have to justify their lists to the 'great and good' of the sport.

 

Who the hell are the great and good of the sport? They are a bunch of twats that have no credibility anyway - as seen by them taking it up the arse from Golden Panties as soon as he came calling.

They are just people, with opinions. There are more knowledgable posters on this board than some of these experts.

 

JonOlis Ring rankings were made before Golden Boy took over the Ring. Even after Golden Boy took over there has been no obvious 'fixing' going on, much to the disappointment of the conspiracy theorists.

The Ring rankings are made by a panel, this alone helps ensure that individual bias is minimized, you just don't get that when one person puts a list together. Like it or not those Ring rankings are more valid and carry more importance than anyone who posts on here. Even you.

You may be able to pot shot and criticize a couple of placings at a few weighs but as a complete body of work over all the boxers at all the weights across the world its something that very few people have the knowledge (or time) to put together.

 

Even me :yikes :nono

I'm aware of that, but the fact they took it like bitches from the Golden Panties just shows what type of outfit we're dealing with here, and that it really doesn't conclusively prove anything to post a set of rankings from them. That would be the case if they actually had credibility too, people do get it wrong - as they did with Castillo.

He was shot - went life and death with Ngoudjo who with all due respect ain't great prior to facing Hatton. Since then he's failed to make weight numerous times, and lost to a very average fighter. These are the signs of a shot fighter yet if we're supposed to believe Ring he was top 10 when Hatton fought him.

So again, they don't prove or disprove anything.

 

They are compiled by collecting the opinions of a huge number of experts in the game. They provide an invaluable snapshot of time, and a kick in the face to bias individuals who try, and rewrite history. Take it up with the classic forum if you don't like them, they are listed there as an invaluable tool.

 

Again mate, I didn't mention Castillo, just the general validity of the Ring Rankings but lets be honest P4P rankings are ALWAYS too slow to drop fighters past their prime because their rankings are a lot more dependent on their achievements and resumes rather than current form. Its not a fault of the Rings P4P rankings, just of P4P rankings in general.

Having Castilio ranked P4P when he fought Hatton doesn't mean they got it wrong, its just the way that P4P rankings are compiled.

 

I used Castillo simply because it was the first example that came to my head of them being completely inaccurate - for the exact reasons you just mentioned

So when they are posted up like they are gospel, it concerns me. We might as well not discuss anything ever, the Ring Rankings are always right.

And yes, they got it wrong. The whole point is they document the top 10 fighters in the world currently, across the weights. It's not our fault if their criteria is questionable and they make a mistake. Perhaps they ought to consider the balance between past achievement and current form and common sense.

 

Who's posting them like they are Gospel? Of course they are not perfect, there are always going to be errors; but the fact remains that they are simply the most universal, and accurate record we have! The "panel/ballot" system simply limits bias.

It is blatantly obvious why you have such a problem with them, because they go against absolutely everything you spout about Hatton. Rest assured, I will continue to post ring rankings, when, and where I feel like it.

 

Ridiculous thing to say. Forget Castillo. As a general point those rankings, at the very least, prove that a panel of accountable (this is a biggie for all us anonymous keyboard Ninjas) and competent people have discussed the placings and broadly agree.

As JonOLi has said those ranking have been used as a valued resource by boxing historians for years, they arn't going to come knocking on our doors for our rankings anytime soon...

 

So you do think Castillo was a top 10 fighter at the time? One of the 10 best fighters in the world when Hatton beat him?

A Yes/No will do.

 

I've just stated that they are not perfect. Try reading whats written.

 

Just to butt in qucikly ad give my view

anybody with common sense knew Castillo was shot

regardless of what any rankings say

good body shot from Hatton though - never doubted his ability to hurt people to the body

Hattons PR campaign for this fight was to bill Castillio as some kind of pound for pound fighter - based on past repuation to justify that it was a good fight

just the same way camp Calzaghe are doing now with Roy Jones Jnr