Kotelnik landed only 20 more punches but was outthrown by 400. What a robbery!

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    I never based anything on how landed the cleaner shots in that fight. I said that alot of Castillos shots landed on Floyds body, and Floyds on Castillos head, ala influencing the judges decison.
     
  2. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    The only real notable depression on Alexanders face was the cut, which was by a headbutt. Kotelniks face was red and puffy, and had been so since early on in the fight. His left eye was marked up by Alexanders jab.

    And no, AK's corner was not gravy. His trainer told Kotelnik that he couldnt box any more and had to fight, obviously thinking the fight was in jeopardy.

    As for the punches landed, again Kotelnik landed only 20 more. And early in the fight Alexander clearly had the edge in punches landed.
     
  3. Icanteach2005

    Icanteach2005 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I saw Alexander win at least 6 rounds.. He won 5 in between the 1-8 Rounds.. He lost the last 3 in my book and there were 1 or 2 debatible rounds.. No robbery, Close fight.. I could actully favor Kotelnik if he had Alexander hurt once.. Just some accurate excahnges by Kotelnik and a late fight surge has people talking.. Alexander won hands down.. close but a clear winner
     
  4. Icanteach2005

    Icanteach2005 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kotelnik did his damage to one side of Alexanders face landing 120 punches to his right side.. all other connects by him were minimal.. Alexander was cut by a but and a punch..
     
  5. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    bull****, devons nose was bloody and so was his mouth....and bull**** call on a headbutt when like you said, he got smashed in the same side of his head all night long, so point being devon took a beating and it showed....he was tired weary and thought he lost..... his own ****ing corner man knew he lost.
    and your concept of punches landing because you are looking at that cheap as punch track.....AKs punches were hurting alexander, snapping his head back and disillusioning him ....alexanders punches if you want to call them that were not even close to being a meaningful punch. but i guess guys like you will see it only one way.......a guy that should have lost 9-3 WON 8-4
    and AKs trainer saying what you just said he did? ever occur to you that they guy was doing everything right all fight and was just telling him to pick it up even more because scorecards are bad news....AK could have knocked him down 3 times and still lost by 3 rounds.....
     
  6. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    It's time home town decisions be investigated. Judges should be investigated.
     
  7. vanargian_guard

    vanargian_guard Mini-Mandingo Full Member

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    I think its rather telling that on the poll on another thread here on ESB about who won the fight, its something like 20% to 80% for Kotelnik. Alexander was the most hyped guy at 140 on this board only a few hours ago, and now most people agree he was way overrated and a very ordinary fighter fought a great fight and beat him tonight. Give it up MW, you're not fooling anyone tonight.
     
  8. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    im with you on this - it was pretty much a draw...

    devon was a bit busier. he keeps getting sucked in, in trying to fight at Kotelnik's range. Thats why his jab keeps falling short, sometimes it lands. But more importantly, it does set up his left hand which has landed oftenly well....

    Kotelnik has better timing and is a better counter puncher, but was outworked by Devon.

    Kotelnik thru more effective punches but with less frequency.
    Alexander thru more punches but with less effectiveness.
    I have this fight as a draw. It is on the Challenger to remarkably win and take the belt away, it is not on the Champion in order to keep his belt.
     
  9. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    If you had been on these forums you'd know how outrageous it gets when there is a suspected robbery. It was like this for Berto vs Collazo and Williams vs Martinez. Close fights that could have gone either way but mny still feel Martinez and Collazo were robbed.

    Did Alexander live up to the hype? Not this fight. I'll readily admit that.
     
  10. vanargian_guard

    vanargian_guard Mini-Mandingo Full Member

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    So......basically you laid out a general scheme of how the fight went, Kotelnik was more effective, Alexander threw more, they cancel each other out, so draw? :huh

    ....or did you actually score RBR?

    Oh and, the champion is supposed to defend his belt. If he can't box and outclass/outland the challanger, then they should outfight the challanger. Alexander couldn't do either. He did not defend his belts.
     
  11. vanargian_guard

    vanargian_guard Mini-Mandingo Full Member

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    That's very true, many close fights get called robberies, I'm aware. This wasn't a ROBBERY imo, but my hate for the Alexander hype makes me want to bask in this ESB phenomenon while it lasts. It was however, an amazing fight by Kotelnik and a close win for him. Alexander, for all his natural, physical talent, doesn't look like he'll amount to much at the moment. Then again he's young, and could develop. But this looks really bad, Amir shut Kotelnik out. I was cheering for Kotelnik in that fight too (I'm East Euro), and I will admit that I don't think he won a round there. It looks worse considering, I really thought Alexander would beat Kotelnik with ease too. Kotelnik is just not a top guy at 140, and never really was.
     
  12. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Agreed. Im usually an excellent judge in fighters abilities. I pride myself on that.

    Seems somewhere along the line i misjudged Alexander. He looked faster against Witter and crisper against Urango.

    In this fight he looked slow, lethargic, and unsure of himself.

    Again I'll watch the fight again, and score it properly. However even if I do score it for Alexander again, he still looked super poor.
     
  13. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he still looked fast as hell and dynamic, he got the **** timed out of him and didn't know what to do when he couldn't dominate with his physical talent.
     
  14. Boom_Boom

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    the difference is Alexander's landed shots were partial or ineffective

    while Kotelnik's punches were clean, flush and disruptive to Alexander.
     
  15. vanargian_guard

    vanargian_guard Mini-Mandingo Full Member

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    I agree with that, but not slow or lethargic. He threw 1100 punches, and he's fast as hell. He just couldn't figure out how to close the gap effectively. He also hasn't perfected his head movement to fight with his hands low like that. At times he looks really flashy slipping under then spinning out on the ropes, but in general he gets hit flush way too much, and thus seemed timid to be in range, causing him to throw his combos from slightly out of range, and thus hit air, or glove if he reached. To be honest, he doesn't seem like a smart guy to me. He sounded like an idiot in the post fight interview. Idk if he was punch drunk, or he's just a simple guy. But that doesn't bode too well to making mid-fight adjustments.