Kotelnik schooling Alexander

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  1. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bradley-Alexander wasn't signed before the Alexander-Kotelnik. And while I'm sure making a golden boy look bad didn't help him, King was already so irrelevant that he didn't need a vendetta as an excuse for his failure to get fights for his guys.
     
  2. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    1) Bradley-Alexander was already made- all that had to happen was for Devon to "win" to make it official.

    2) King had Kotelnik move to 147 to quash any talks of a rematch and purposely kept him out of the ring. It's the most obvious case of a promoter blackballing his own fighter in recent history. A world-class fighter doesn't just sit out 4 years out of promotional laziness, particularly in a hot weight class. Both 140 and 147 were.

    Frankly, it had all the air of Kotelnik being punished for going against the script, which was to make the hometown guy look good to hype the bigger fight. Had Kotelnik done that, he would've gotten more fights.

    It's an old strongarm tactic from the old days in the sport, but Kotelnik-Alexander had all the earmarks of being a modern example of it.
     
  3. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How does that work? If Alexander hit gloves and arms all night and Kotelnik landed many clean punches, how is it a close fight with the scorecards out of whack?
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    1. Triangle theory's are bull****
    2. Styles make fights
    3. Matthysse & Kotelnik both beat Alexander but Alexander got his st.Louis decisions
    4. Khan would have one sided Alexander at 140
    5. This is Alexanders first time fighting in Vegas (wtf?) and Khan will still whoop him...
     
  5. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Till this day , Alexander still wont admit defeat to Kotelnik or Matthysse .

    Yet he has no problem admitting defeat to Porter and Bradley .
     
  6. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All the coverage I remember at the time discussed HBO pushing for the fight to be made in the immediate aftermath of the Kotelnik bout.

    I have no doubt King wanted people to forget about that fight, but there's no reason to downplay his promotional irrelevance either. What fights aside from the rematch could he or should he have gotten for Kotelnik during this time period and where and how would you expect such fights to occur?

    This is the same period when a number of people liked to pretend that Cloud was being ducked by the rest of the light heavies when it was really just a matter of him being with a promoter no one really likes to work with.
     
  7. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    114-11, 114-111, 113-112 to Khan. Plus Maidana had the bull**** point deduction in the 7th, that is the scorecards of a close fight. One which Khan was reluctant to go into again with Maidana.

    100-90, 100-90, 99-91 to Alexander. Not once was Alexander hurt or in trouble. And he had little trouble outclassing Maidana.

    I was only pointing out that triangle theories don't really work in reality.

    For the record I think Khans victory over Kotelnik is one his best wins and a very underrated win as is Kotelnik as a fighter.
     
  8. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I know it ended up being close but khan looked in control until he was caught and he struggled from then on out, in general he was doing well against him but yeah alexander did do better against him and has a better style for it, i had this the last day just triangle theories arnt completely useless the way people go on, its useful to see how someone does against a common opponent and when you look at the type of the fight and how they do in exchanges ect. It can help give you a picture of how the fight will go
     
  9. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alexander was given the fight, yes?
    The scorecards were widely in his favor, yes?

    I personally felt that Kotelnik won it by 2 points because he landed the cleaner, crisper punches while Alexander was just volume punching. I'm not calling it a robbery, I'm just saying that I think Kotelnik won, and that the scorecards were out of whack and it was a much closer fight for Kotelnik.
     
  10. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My bad. I actually forgot that they gave Alexander the decision :patsch
     
  11. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't remember if there was booing, but if I'm not mistaken Lederman actually scored it for Devon. I tend to score fights on effectiveness instead of aggression. Maybe I'm in the minority.
     
  12. Don't take MvC seriously.

    He's a troll who only sides with black American fighters.
     
  13. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Damn, How many gifts is Jeriba Shigan going to get
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    :deal

    Triangle theories are proven bull**** already, don't know why people still use them.
     
  15. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Didn't watch the whole fight, just the highlights, but I think people are confused as to what a "schooling" is compared to just winning.