Kovalev and Ward vs Roy jones

1 right from Kovalev and it's over. Kova landed just 1 right on Ward in 20 rounds and it was almost too much for him to handle.

1 flush right on Jones chin and it's glass all over the ring.

Just 1 right. 1.

 

Roy Jones boxes circles around Ward but loses a MD.
Roy Jones is awarded a TKO victory when Kovalev flinches after a bolo punch strays to his hip.

 

"was almost too much" loooooool

 

Well Ward was badly dazed, rocked, dropped and close to out on his feet.

 

Most of his showboating came against guys who'd baited him beforehand. Guys such as: Paz, Hall and Telesco. Most of the other times were in response to criticism by managers and trainers.

Regarding Joe, he clowned on a guy who he wouldn't have dared fought when he was anywhere near his prime. Pathetic.

 

close to out on his feet? LOL. Stop writing your fantasies. He got dropped sure but he was always in control of his senses. There was no thing as "close to out on his feet". He was in survival mode and in shock. But was in much better state than Kovalev after he got hit by that right.

 

Roy, in his prime, was superior to both.

 

The best version of Roy Jones would toy with Ward. Just embarrass him.

Kovalev is the tougher fight for Jones because of Jones' chin and Kovalev's power.

 

First off, hardly any of those guys were available to fight.


You say that half of the guys were either mandatories to Roy, or Roy was a mandatory to them? No. That's not right.


Let's look at the names you've mentioned:


Collins - In 1996, HBO backed Roy, when Roy gave a live, in-ring interview, prior to fighting Bryant Brannon. He said he'd offered a number of guys 7 figure pay days which had been turned down. Collins was one of the names. Now if you're going to be objective, you have to look from the perspective of both teams. Now at that point, Collins was gearing up to face Benn in a rematch. So it was understandable why he wouldn't have been interested. Then early in 1997, Collins claims that his team offered Roy $2m for a fight. But in the same way that Collins had been tied up with Benn, early in 1997, Roy was tied up at LHW, actually in camp preparing to face Montel Griffin. He also had his sights set on a fight with Virgil Hill afterwards. Then 2 years later in 1999, Collins famously flew to Pensacola to attend Roy's fight with Ricky Frazier. From what I can gather, at first, Roy was interested in taking the fight, giving the green light to his advisor, Stan Levin. However, Lou DiBella and Kerry Davis of HBO, weren't so keen, and neither was Roy's other advisor, Murad Muhammad. It appears that Murad, along with Dibella and Davis, wanted Roy to instead unify the LHW division against Reggie Johnson, because they'd been embarrassed by the Frazier debacle, and there was no demand for a Collins fight, due to him having being out of the ring for almost 2 years at that point. So a fight against Reggie took preference over fighting an inactive SMW.

Here are the links:

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http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/06/sports/jones-gives-lessons-in-and-out-of-the-ring.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/the-final-conflict-celtic-warrior-v-roy-jones-jr-26162260.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/collins-courts-jones-for-comeback-1.144777

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/money-a-stumbling-block-for-collins-1.145187

http://www.independent.ie/sport/split-in-jones-camp-sours-collins-hopes-26162918.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/jones-camp-rubbishes-bout-1.145879


Nunn - I will give you that. Roy disrespected him by messing him around in late 1997. The only thing I will say though, is that I honestly don't believe he ducked him out of a fear of losing to him, not when he'd tried to fight Liles the year before, and he went on to fight the likes of Reggie, Eric Harding and Tarver in the years that followed. There's no logic to it. Nunn was dangerous, but he'd seen better days. In 1997, he was really no better than those guys listed. Not forgetting of course, that after Roy had relinquished his belt, he had a huge, $6m fight lined up against James Douglas, before Roy's father blocked it at the last moment.


Jackson - From what I can gather, in 91/92, Roy's father wouldn't let him take the fight. He wrapped Roy in cotton wool, and he wouldn't let him off the leash. According to Roy's advisor, Fred Levin, he even stooped so low as to hide title shot opportunities from him. Then after Roy had split from his father in 1993, Roy claims that Don King wanted him to fight Jackson, but he wanted future options which Roy wouldn't agree to.


Liles - See the in-ring Brannon interview. Also, Frankie's manager at the time, Jack O'Halloran, claims that they had a great fight lined up, before Liles blew it by going back and asking for more money. O'Halloran was extremely upset with him, as he truly believed he had the beating of Roy.

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=2112


Hopkins - Bernard priced himself out in 2002. He bizarrely wanted a 50/50 split, even though Roy had beaten him, and Roy would had to have dropped weight for a 168 C-W. In the end, HBO offered him $6m, but he turned it down and demanded $10m. He then spent over a year out of the ring before fighting Morrade Hakkar for just over $1m.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm

http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/inside-ruiz-jones-jr-with-hbos-mark-taffet

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2002-10-14-hopkins_x.htm


Dariusz - We all know what happened. Roy wouldn't go to Germany as he feared being robbed, and despite what Dariusz told the media, he had no intentions of travelling to fight Roy in the U.S. Kerry Davis of HBO, states that every effort was made by them to try and secure the network the fight. In my opinion, their resumes speak volumes. When Roy couldn't get the fight, he targeted Bernard in a rematch. And when Bernard made it clear he didn't want the fight, Roy then fought Ruiz and Tarver. Whereas despite Dariusz's claims, he then continued to fight B class opposition in Germany, including guys who Roy had already beaten.


Rocchigiani - You can have that one. Roy admitted he didn't really want to fight him. Although in my honest opinion, it wasn't a huge admission from his resume, as he was no better than most of Roy's other opposition from that period. It would never have been a big fight. Also, according to reports, Rocchigiani missed a press conference to announce the fight, as well as being embroiled in a law suit against the WBC.


Benn - Nigel wanted a fight in 1995. But according to Roy and his advisors, Greg Fritz and the Levin brothers, Don King again wanted future options on Roy, which nobody would to agree to.


Gerald - They missed each other at MW, and Gerald only had the one fight at SMW, which was the tragic one with Benn. We don't know what would have happened had the tragedy with Benn not occurred, but I think it's safe to assume that things would have been difficult for Roy and his advisors in trying to reach a compromise with King.


Calzaghe - I've no idea why you've mentioned him. When was he ever available? He defended a lightly regarded WBO, SMW belt on Showtime, refusing to move up to LHW or to fight in the U.S. He was still fighting guys like Ashira, Veit and Salem, even his early 30's. He didn't get any recognition until he'd spanked Lacy in 2006. He's also on record stating that he wasn't chasing Roy as he didn't want tough fights, and he'd have needed the "Crown Jewels" due to element of risk involved. Not forgetting of course, the numerous occasions of where he bragged of his number of WBO, SMW defences, which just pushed any potential fight further into the distance. Simply put, Joe never made any serious attempts to secure it. He was content doing what he was doing. An earlier fight was never viable.


Eubank - I don't know why you've mentioned Eubank either. He signed a multi-fight deal with Sky and ITV, which saw him happily defend his lightly regarded WBO belt. He openly admitted that it would have been career suicide fighting Roy at his peak, and he would only have fought Roy and the other big name U.S. fighters, had they became his WBO mandatories. But of course that could never have happened, as Roy and the others wouldn't even have been in the WBO's rankings. Like Joe who came afterwards, Eubank was content doing what he was doing.


Toney - Personally, I would have loved to have seen a rematch. But I can't really criticise Roy for not really pushing for it, not when Roy had beaten him easily in 1994, he'd lost to Griffin twice, and fighting Ruiz at HW was a much bigger fight to him.


If you want an objective debate, I'll gladly oblige you. I've also got many more links, including excerpts from the autobiography of Evander Holyfield's former attorney, Jim Thomas, where he states serious efforts were made to try and secure a fight with Evander in 2003, as well as Roy pursuing a fight early in 1998 after he'd relinquished his belt for not wanting to have fought Nunn.

Like I've previously mentioned, it's a complete myth that Roy was only content to fight his low level mandatories.

Boxing is a ruthless business, with an awful lot of things happening behind the scenes that most of us aren't aware of.

Roy and his team did try and line up the biggest fights out there.

If you want to be objective, then respectfully read what's been written, and then also take a close look at the careers of the guys who he supposedly ducked.


I look forward to your response.

 

Roy Jones beats both in close fights

 

Only?

It's never that simple.

He had zero respect for Andre's power, and he told us all that he was going to destroy him.

What happened?

He would only have had a punchers chance against the versions of Roy who fought the likes of Hill. That version of Roy would had to have been a clear favourite.

John Ruiz wasn't a great HW. But he was tough, and a genuine top 10 HW of his era. He possessed the power to have smashed Roy to pieces. Roy was a former JMW/MW, and Ruiz had knocked down Evander. If Ruiz had caught him perfect, Roy would still have been asleep. But he never had the opportunity. It's very foolish of you to just assume that Kovalev would also have had that perfect opportunity.

 

Still fighting the good fight

 

Ha!

Always.

I do debate other topics, but I always find myself getting dragged into the ones regarding Roy.

How's it going?

Not seen you for ages.

Are you still a member of CH?

Are the old members from here still there?