Kovalev and Ward vs Roy jones

I'd pick 1997-2003 Jones at 175 to win clear decisions over both. Ward might be a little tougher because he'd make it ugly and tie Roy up. Roy would most likely fight cautiously against the powerful Kovalev and win a decision.

Only fighters at 175 of the past 50 years I'd pick over late 90s RJJ would be Michael Spinks and Bob Foster. Needless to say, Roy would be a live underdog, and The Camden Buzzsaw would be a live underdog against Roy.

 

Andre Ward would make everyone look bad with his holding and hitting tactics, the man can't fight fairly for ****.

 

Roy is a clear favorite to beat both,,,,badly!

 

Agree with a lot of your post, I just made the list of fighters who he could have potentially fought during that time.

I just think it's a shame given the quality of the opposition available that more big fights weren't made available for Jones. I do blame Roy himself for some, but not all of them.

 

No worries mate.

It's a damn shame they never happened.

I can tell you as one of Roy's biggest fans, that it was extremely frustrating to me. But after hours of research throughout the years, I know that it's a complete myth that he only wanted an easy ride.

Like I mentioned earlier, I've also got access to many more links.


I'm not looking to argue with you mate, I welcome a good, objective debate.

Tell me which bits you don't agree with, and tell me what you think Roy should have done differently.


I think he should definitely have fought Nunn, although I think he was in a bit of a no-win situation.

I think they could have tried to fight Dariusz in a neutral country, but to be honest, I really don't think Dariusz wanted to fight.


Again, politics and timing, rob us fans of many potential great fights.

I'm sure that we could look at every guy from your list, and question why there's also 5-6 names missing from their resumes. You can do it with just about any fighter.

Roy's going to be missing more names than most though, because he fought across 5 weight classes.


Let me know your thoughts.

 

Roy has no Plan B in a fight and absolutely folded when it got tough in there. I used to think Jones would beat Ward but no longer. I think both Ward and Kovalev would likely stop Jones who has a Chin as brittle and Glass as any fighter I have ever seen.

 

At his best Roy would have easily beaten Kov in the same way he beat all other one dimensional predictable fighters. Would he have beaten Ward? That could have been a chess match with an unclear outcome.

 

I have the exact same issues with my favourite fighter Calzaghe.

For fighters of their ability unfortunately their resume's do not match.

I don't think Calzaghe was the smartest tool in the box when it came to business which is why he was just happy to be Frank Warren's puppet for so many years and didn't take the risks he should have. Jones probably received similarly bad advice and management from his team and hangers on, but ultimately the buck stops with the fighter.

 

I was literally crafting my retort to that list when I read yours,
couldn't have said it better myself. I feel the only person Roy
really "ducked" was Michael Nunn, Stylistically he was very bad
for Roy, a taller, faster, more fluid combination punching version
of Tarver with far better footspeed and footwork. Nunn would've
given every version of Roy hell.

Roy runs through Ward and Kovalev, and he showed no chin
deficiencies until Tarver 2 (people always somehow act like Roy
didn't fight any punchers or take any shots.).

 

Two against one is never a fair fight and with boxing gloves.....

Ward holds him while Kovalev pounds Roy to a stoppage.

 

Rjj beat a bunch of pascal & cleverly level fighters at lhw kov played with & murdered both those guys

Kov would imo beat alot of top & notable lhw in its long history

Rjj vs kov would be 50 50 & highly anticipated just like ward vs kov

Stop overrating past greats & shitting on future greats they're all great

Jones didnt even fight his perceived equal at lhw during his peak & even tho he beat tarver the first he never looked good againts him even in the amateurs

Im not sure who would win if those fights happen but all 50 50

 

Yeah we're mostly all over there mate.

I don't post anything like as often as I used to over here, haven't got the time or patience!

Hope you're well, and as passionate and well written as ever. (I'd say you should pop over to the other place, but I'd hate to get anyone in trouble...)

 

It was definitely more than just Nunn as I explained in my previous posts, but with guys like Hopkins and Eubank I will say they avoided Roy.

 

I read your post, I don't blame Roy for the majority of those, or at the very
least, both sides share responsibility for the fights not happening.
(notably Roy vs. DM).

Regarding Hopkins, that wasn't that long ago, Roy commanded way more
than Hopkins at the time and for him (Hopkins) to want parity, that's insane.

I think ultimately if both sides, were really intent on the fights happening
they would've happened. Also, it has to be mentioned that Roy still beat
pretty much everyone at LHW that ranked (except DM)during that time. (I admit however his SMW
reign was weak, despite the fact that I consider that his absolute prime)
but again, I don't think this was an avoidance tactic by Roy.