Kovalev backstage with Loma?

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  1. FrankinDallas

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    You guys carping about foreigners losing to robberies need to do a little research. How many wins did GGG have in the US? Sure he got robbed...to a Mexican! Kovalev won in the US. Fury won in the US. Etc. Etc. While you mongs forget about the disease called "Brit stoppage ". And is the rest of Europe clean as an angel? Sven Ottke, anyone?

    Is boxing corrupt in the US? It always has been! At least we're fair; we rob ourselves from time to time.
     
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  2. Tyson379

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    GGG KO'd everyone you idiot. He clearly beat Canelo 2x and lost because of biased judging.
     
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  3. shadow111

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    The last person I'd expect to see is Kovalev. It's also a little surprising given that he's Russian and would be there to comfort a Ukrainian fighter who just lost. Is this some kind of Kumbaya, you lost but it's OK, lets end the war moment? It is good to see a Russian empathize with a Ukrainian, maybe a partnership between Kovalev and Loma could lead to a truce between Putin and Zelensky.
     
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  4. FrankinDallas

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    Biased judging but not to an American which is what is being talked about here.

    And who is the idiot? GGG won by decision over Jacob's and Derevychencko in NYC.
     
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  5. Tyson379

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    He knocked down Jacobs and SD is a Ukrainian so he got the gift decision. If it was American he'd have lost the SD fight by 117-111
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

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    That's an assumption on SD.

    Everywhere on this planet most of the time the A side or local hero or the big money maker will win no matter everything except a KO loss. Makes no difference which country it's in.
     
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  7. shadow111

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    That is true, but what's also true is that more often than not, the A side, local hero, or the big money maker is also the better fighter. Not always, but most of the time, it's true. i.e. to get a big fight in your backyard, you would have to bring something to the table that causes the fight to be there. If you're an A side then you probably have already established yourself as a main event attraction, which means you're already established as a top star, which means you already proved that you can win big fights, etc.
     
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  8. Serge

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    How many times did the fighters they were robbed against get robbed against foreigners in the US?


    And of course they won fights in the US. They knocked most of their opponents out and yes the judges were fair sometimes and have been a lot of the time, or they gave them little chance to rob them by dominating

    Also, it happens an awful lot in these big fights

    Again, robberies and corruption occurs everywhere, including over here in the tiny majestic isle of Great Britain. I've never claimed otherwise. My main gripe is the appointment of a home ref and three home judges for world title fights between an American and a foreigner which as I keep having to repeat myself never happens anywhere else for world title fights whereas it's commonplace in the US. Obviously that's very unfair and I'm not the bad guy for shining a light on it, especially when no one else is and they're happy for it to go unnoticed and to continue.

    If others called it out I wouldn't have to and for the umpteenth time I like our American cousins. I just want a more even playing field.

    Yes, we never heard the end of how corrupt Germany was. I remember American fighters and fans complaining about how corrupt Canada is too and how they should never have to travel over there after Bute vs Andrade whilst simultaneously acting like the US was holier than thou. I don't do that about the UK and Europe.

    I know there's tons of corruption over here and all over Europe too. But what we do not do over here and anywhere else is stack the deck with a home ref and three home judges for world title fights between a home fighter and a foreigner.

    Hell, we often have neutral ones even for non-world title fights between a home fighter and a foreigner or one home, one from the opponent's country, and one neutral.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    Teddy Atlas talks about this corruption a lot and has done so for years. It's all on the promoters shoulders because THEY pick the refs and THEY pick the judges. Add to those facts the issue or non existentance of a Federal board overseeing boxing, but the states want that power and they won't give it up. And no one in Congress will take up the fight because there's nothing in it for them. Senator John McCain cared but he's been gone a while.
     
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  10. MidniteProwler

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    Give it a rest. Fury only won because he took it out of the judges hands and put Wilder in the dirt. They robbed Fury in the first fight with the draw.
     
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  11. MorvidusStyle

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    Kovalev: ''Hey, remember that time Cleverly couldn't stand up straight and Howard Foster carried him back to the corner? Lucky that didn't go to points!''
     
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  12. Serge

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    Yes Teddy calls it out a lot. They just need to bring refs and judges from neutral countries over for world title fights over there or have one home judge, one away, one neutral like is often the case everywhere else
     
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  13. African Cobra

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    I think they have the same manager in Egis Klimas and both are poor losers.
     
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  14. MidniteProwler

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    Are you a few cents short of a dollar pal?
     
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    They are both poor losers.
     
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