Kovalev Defeats Saad!

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Aug 5, 2018.


  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You don't think Marvin Johnson and Kovalev are in the same ballpark power wise? There's hardly worlds between them. They both possessed A-Level power and that's not really disputable.

    Kovalev has shown serious stamina, conditioning and durability problems at the very highest elite level (And even below that to be fair, unless you think Alvarez is Ward level) None of the best guys in Saad's day had any of those problems, they could all go. I honestly think he would fit in but never dominant. Kovalev that is.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I don't like Kova. He's a bully and a frontrunner and has said some pretty classless stuff.

    Haven't even watched last night's fight yet but he seems to have been on the slide since Hopkins. He's a one-beat fighter with one fight plan. In the past it usually worked. Hell, I had him beating Ward in their first fight. But he's never developed a Plan B and seems to have deteriorated physically. Those are my fairly unpassionate thoughts. Sorry if they offend or are found disagreeable. Now, I am going to drink.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Poor choice of past light heavy considering his downfall was far worse than losing to a first ballot hall of famer and undefeated top 5 contender.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You wanna reword that maybe?

    And what do you make of him losing to Alvarez? He got his ticket punched to the HOF as well?
     
  5. NoNeck

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    Reword what? Ward is a first ballot hall of famer once eligible and Alvarez was an undefeated top 5 contender going in.

    Saad has a better resume, but also took L after L to close out his career. H2h there isn't a lot separating them.
     
  6. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kovalev turned pro at 26 and won a title at 30.
    Saad turned pro at 19 and won a title at 24.

    It means absolutely nothing that Saad was losing to scrubs like Bott at Kovalevs age.

    A little perspective please.

    Once again your lack of context makes refuting you easy - Just a matter of using simple logic.
     
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  7. NoNeck

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    Kovalev was active in the am system though. Plenty of fighters have been burned out that way.
     
  8. Seamus

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    Any athlete who goes on competing into his mid 30' s, if honest, will tell you the floor falls out benesth you. And I can imagine especially this pertains to a one dimensional fighter like Kova.

    By the by, you didn't include Kova's 230 or so amateur bouts. Those count, too.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Shh, actually making sense the first time around isn't allowed in here. Try more word games, straw manning, fallacies, **** like that.
     
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  10. rorschach51

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    Oh okay I just read the rest sorry lol, I thought you were saying this.
     
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  11. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    It doesn't matter, the best version of Kovalev never beats the best version of Matthew Saad Muhammad, MSM more than likely stops Sergey violently.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    I'm a Kovalev fan. He lost his fire and passion for boxing. At age 35, his punch resistance has eroded. Alvarez won fairly via coming from behind KO ( even if he went low a few times ), but I'm not upset at all about the outcome.

    Upset, would be the first Ward decision. Kovalev IMO deserved the nod in that one.

    Kovalev was an entertaining guy and for a while the best light heavyweight in the world. I've always felt a healthy Beterbiev would have defeated Kovalev by the way.
     
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  13. Seamus

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    Imagine this board in 1983 and 84, when a 29 year old Saad was getting stopped by the likes of Eric Winbush and Willie Edwards, sh*tting all over Matthew as being able to hold his own against a John Henry Lewis or Harold Johnson.
     
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  14. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think MSM stops Kovalev in a punch up.....the difference here is durability and willingness and the resilient spirit to come back from punishment MSM until Braxton/Qwai got him finally he was a tough SOB with guts and ability not real versatile but fighting is what he did best and he could spark Kovalev out easier than SK could spark him......MSM hurts Kovalev SK does not come back.....SK hurts MSM, MSM can and often did come back
     
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  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    It feels like just yesterday he was being seriously compared to Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis.

    I’ve made my fair share of mistakes over hyping a modern power puncher, so I’m not rubbing it in. Just pointing out how easy it is for us to get carried away.
     
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