Kovalev Files Protest With NSAC To Change Ward Loss To An NC...!!!

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    A whole lot of coulda, woulda, shoulda and speculating in this thread, the reality is Weeks should have given him a count since his butt was clearly on the ropes therefore it was a KD before stopping the fight or take a point from Ward and let Kovalev have 5 minutes due to the more than ****ing obvious to anyone with eyes low blow, anything but stop the ****ing fight on a low blow, and anyone who doesn't at least agree that one of the two things should have happened, is biased as hell and being intellectually dishonest.
     
  2. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think we're on the same page here, yeah. I don't necessarily blame Ward for going back to what worked, but I don't think we have this conversation if he steps back and clips Sergei with an uppercut, or goes to the side and drives the right to the head to finish the combo.

    As it stands, it does provide an asterisk to a Ward performance that I personally thought was pretty impressive.
     
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  3. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Actually Weeks kind of shoved him on the ropes. It was weird. I think even Ward thought that he was going to get a point deducted because he wasn't acting like a guy that scored a knockout in the first moment lol.
     
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  4. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Good, show them how its done Krusher! Prove to everyone you are not just a boxer, but a politician! What would Putin do? :ggg
     
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  5. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, I didn't like the finish, they did look like low blows and I thought the referee was seriously poor but Ward was winning the fight, on top and look to be on the verge of a stoppage.
     
  6. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Kov needs to accept what happened and move on. It's more of his fault what happened than anyone else.
     
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  7. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    It was not Kovalev's fault that SOB hit him to the testicles and had his criminal referee stop the fight when SOB should have been disqualified! Blows to the testicles are illegal in boxing, and those who claim it was Kovalev's fault, that Kovalev should have hit him back to the testicles, if Kovalev did that Weeks would have disqualified him...........boxing is corrupt, the video does not lie, Bob Bennett refused to even look at the replay! Why do we not have instant replay in boxing? Because referees can throw fights that way...............SOB cheated, low blows have always been against the rules, but SOB knew he did not have to go by the rules, he had everything on his side, referee, judges, boxing commission,commentators, etc., now HBO lost their dirty arses on that PPV, that's what HBO deserves, SOB is a failure at the box office............

    This letter from 2004 shows some of the corruption in boxing in Vegas. Read below. Just read it, this is from a very high powered attorney.
     
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  8. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Dear Mr. Bogden:

    I am an attorney representing Wladimir Klitschko, a professional boxer fighting as a heavyweight. I am writing to respectfully request that your office conduct an investigation into the highly suspicious events surrounding Mr. Klitschko’s April 10, 2004 Las Vegas bout against Lamon Brewster, and the equally suspicious frustration of Mr. Klitschko’s subsequent efforts to ascertain whether or not he had been illicitly drugged or poisoned prior to or during the bout with Mr. Brewster.

    As explained below, we are not leveling accusations against anyone in particular, and only seek an investigation to learn the truth and, if appropriate, punish the guilty. As evidenced by this week’s guilty plea in your District by Robert Mittelman to charges that he fixed fights and then unsuccessfully sought to bribe both a federal judge in your District and an Assistant United States Attorney in your Office, it is regrettably all too possible that someone sought to illegally influence the outcome of the Klitschko/Brewster bout. We believe that the facts of record to date more than justify a full investigation by your Office.

    THE EVENTS PRIOR TO THE KLITSCHKO/BREWSTER BOUT

    Before turning to what occurred during the bout, we first turn to a number of events that preceded the bout - events which, when viewed in connection with the events that followed, give off a strong odor of corruption.

    First, as reported by Dean Juipe in the April 19, 2004 Las Vegas Sun, the odds on the bout posted by both Mandalay Bay and Pinnacle, leading offshore sports books, plummeted from 11-1 in Mr. Klitschko’s favor to just 3.5-1 by fight time. As Mr. Juipe pointed out, this “could only happen if there was a huge influx of money wagered on [Mr. Brewster.]” The question, of course, is why? To be sure, odds change in the days and hours before a fight, but experience shows that it is virtually unheard of for them to change so dramatically in such a short period of time.

    Your investigation will reveal that Mr. Brewster was understandably a heavy underdog and that nothing in the public domain gave any cause for such a drastic change in the betting line. On the other hand, if a drugging of Mr. Klitschko was planned in advance, that fact would easily explain why there was so much “late money” bet on Mr. Brewster.

    In this regard, it should be noted that identifying unusual changes in the odds has been an effective weapon in ferreting out the fixing of sporting events. As reported on March 31, 2002 by Edward Epstein of the San Francisco Chronicle: “The [gaming] industry also claims that Nevada casinos have tipped off the FBI to a few college basketball point-shaving scandals over the past several years by looking for unusual betting patterns on games.” Further, a key ground for the general consensus that the March 1999 draw in the Lennox Lewis/Evander Holyfield bout was the product of corrupt judging, was the fact that the odds on that fight went from 11-5 in Lewis’s favor to “pick ‘em” by the time of the fight. Of course, the swift change in the odds on the Klitschko/Brewster fight were far more dramatic and therefore much more indicative of foul play.

    Second, there was a very suspicious incident concerning fight credentials. As you may know, certain credentials for a fight - such as the ones that give a person access to all areas of the arena on fight night - are highly prized and limited. For that reason and also, more importantly, because of security concerns, such credentials are released to an individual only if he or she is on a credentials list and he or she provides photo identification. Notwithstanding these procedures, when a member of the Klitschko team went to pick up his credential prior to the bout, he was told that it had already been picked up. When the team member asked for more information, it became clear that someone had picked up the credential by falsely claiming to be the team member. Given the requirement of photo identification, this error should not have been possible. Yet, it happened, thereby creating a situation where an unidentified person secured an all-access pass through fraud, thus providing himself unfettered access to the arena. While this scenario may seem outlandish, is it any more outlandish than Mr. Mittleman offering a judge and prosecutor in this District $15,000 to fix a case? Is it more outlandish that, in 1919, Arnold Rothstein bribed eight members of the Chicago White Sox so that they would throw the World Series?

    In sum, before the Klitschko/Brewster bout even began, there were strong indications - in the form of extreme volatility in the betting line and fraud in the securing of an all-access credential - that some mischief was afoot. Those indications ripened with what transpired next.
     
  9. Farmboxer

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    THE KLITSCHKO/BREWSTER BOUT

    As both Mr. Klitschko and his entire team, including Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward, will attest, Mr. Klitschko was in extraordinary physical condition for the bout. Indeed, according to Mr. Klitschko, he had never trained so well or come into a bout so well-conditioned. Significantly, he had never shown himself to be a fighter who lacked conditioning or stamina. Thus, what happened on April 10 is wholly inconsistent with Mr. Klitschko’s career. To be sure, he has been knocked out before, but never under circumstances such as those that prevailed on April 10. One need only review the tape of the bout in order to have serious concerns as to whether he was drugged or poisoned - especially in light of the events both before and after the bout.

    Inexplicably, beginning in or about the second round, and prior to having been hit with any significant punches, Mr. Klitschko exhibited and experienced a rapid loss of energy, coherence and equilibrium. This fact was noted and is corroborated by the personal observations of his corner-men, who uniformly characterized his condition as something they had not seen previously in their long careers. They noted that he appeared to collapse during the bout, not from the effects of any blows, but rather from some other unknown cause. They also pointed out that Mr. Klitschko lacked the recuperative powers he had shown in all of his past fights, which he should have had in light of training and conditioning. These observations are consistent with publicly reported statements of Referee Robert Byrd, a very experienced official, who, in April 11, 2004's USA Today, stated: “I tried to get a response out of him but there was none. I've never stopped a fight like that." Similarly, in Mr. Juipe’s April 19, 2004 Las Vegas Sun article, an employee of the Palms Casino explained why there was no betting line available on the then-upcoming April 24, 2004 bout between Vitali Klitschko and Corrie Sanders: “It’s because the other Klitschko [Wladimir] looked like he was poisoned or something in the fight with Brewster.” (Emphasis supplied)

    Further evidencing foul play is the fact that Mr. Klitschko's condition after the April 10 fight cannot be reconciled with the recuperative powers demonstrated after his defeat by Corrie Sanders in March 2003. Mr. Klitschko also lost the Sanders bout by knockout. A review of that fight shows that Mr. Klitschko was knocked out fair and square by Mr. Sanders’s very visible and powerful blows. Significantly, if one reviews the tapes of both the Sanders and the Brewster fights, it is clear that Mr. Klitschko was hit much harder by Mr. Sanders than by Mr. Brewster. Within the boxing community Mr. Sanders is widely considered one the hardest punchers, far more dangerous than Mr. Brewster. Yet, within minutes of being knocked out by Mr. Sanders, Mr. Klitschko participated in post-fight interviews, in which he coherently communicated in several different languages. In contrast, following the stoppage in Las Vegas on April 10, observers reported that, despite being conscious, Mr. Klitschko's pupils appeared dilated, he was unable to communicate and he was unable to lift his head to respond to inquiries made by the attending physicians. This condition lasted for some time. Mr. Klitschko has also confirmed that his head was completely clear after the Brewster fight was stopped; yet he could not speak or move his body with ease It is also important to note that Mr. Klitschko’s blood sugar level after the fight was 230 -- almost twice the normal level. Medical experts have confirmed to the Klitschko team that such an elevated count may well indicate that Mr. Klitschko was given a foreign substance.

    In sum, the events that transpired at the actual bout also raise serious concerns about whether Mr. Klitschko’s performance was impeded by some hidden substance.

    THE FRUSTRATION OF MR. KLITSCHKO’S EFFORTS TO LEARN THE TRUTH

    Following the bout, Mr. Klitschko expressed his strong view that he had been poisoned or drugged, or that he had some undetected medical condition. Mr. Klitschko’s team concurred in that assessment based upon Mr. Klitschko’s performance. At that time, no one on Mr. Klitschko’s team knew about the changes in the betting line.

    Out of concern for Mr. Klitschko, he was taken to the University Medical Center of Southern Nevada (“UMC”) after the bout. At that time, blood and urine samples were taken from Mr. Klitschko.

    On April 11, the next day, in order to ensure that he would have an opportunity to ascertain the truth, Mr. Klitschko arranged for additional blood and urine samples to be taken at Quest Diagnostics (“Quest’). Mr. Klitschko’s team made it emphatically clear that they wanted the blood and urine specimens preserved so that they could be tested by an independent doctor of Mr. Klitschko’s choosing.

    On April 14, 2004, both UMC and Quest were sent appropriate medical authorizations, signed by Mr. Klitschko, requesting that his medical records, including his blood and urine specimens, be sent to noted physician, Dr. Robert Voy. Dr. Voy is a former physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission and the former President of USA Boxing, the body that governs amateur and Olympic boxing in the United States. Further, over the next ten days, representatives of Mr. Klitschko left numerous messages at Quest and UMC reinforcing the requests for the blood and urine specimens.

    Significantly, on information and belief, Quest has a policy of retaining blood and urine specimens for seven (7) days after testing, and UMC has a policy of retaining blood specimens for ten (10) days after testing. Hence, according to Quest and UMC policies, all of the blood and urine samples were in existence on April 14, when Quest and UMC received the medical authorization forms signed by Mr. Klitschko. Similarly, according to those same policies, the blood and urine should have been retained by Quest until April 18, and the blood should have been retained by UMC until April 20. As noted, during the period between April 14 and April 20, there were numerous communications between Mr. Klitschko’s representatives and both Quest and UMC requesting that the blood and urine specimens be preserved and sent to Dr. Voy.

    Incredibly, though, all of the specimens, with the exception of one milliliter of urine (too small an amount to permit meaningful testing), had been destroyed by UMC and Quest. To date, no rational explanation has been presented for this failure to deliver the specimens which UMC and Quest had in their possession at the time Mr. Klitschko requested that they be transferred to Dr. Voy. Of course, there are a number of possible explanations, some innocent, for what occurred. However, one of those possible explanations - and an eminently reasonable one - is that those specimens were destroyed in order to hide the truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko.

    In this regard, we also note that, on April 26, 2004, Mr. Klitschko was given a complete physical examination by Dr. Stuart Friedman of Los Angeles, who is associated with Cedar Sinai Hospital. Mr. Klitschko was found to be in perfect health. Hence, if there was something physically wrong with Mr. Klitschko on April 10, it was not caused by any chronic condition.

    CONCLUSION

    I recognize that the issues raised here involve very serious implicit allegations. But they are allegations which, I respectfully submit, need to be investigated in order to protect the integrity of a sport that Mr. Klitschko and I love, and which is so commercially important to the State of Nevada. Something just does not smell right here, and the truth needs to come out.

    Respectfully yours,
    Judd Berstein
     
  10. the factor

    the factor Active Member banned Full Member

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    This fight was sanctioned by the WBA, WBO and IBF for their respective world titles. Any appeal should be directed at these commissions. I don't know why Kov is running to the NSAC. Their local rules do not trump the rules of these bodies.
     
  11. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    kovalev was so fuken done, ward fans are upset more then anyone that the fight was stopped on that shot because it robbed ward of a legit victory but he was done either way, ****ing shits me he wont own up to that
     
  12. thurmanthegoat1

    thurmanthegoat1 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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  13. thurmanthegoat1

    thurmanthegoat1 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    hmm ward took ages to beatdown paul smith, who had nothing for him. 5mins break and kovalev would be ready to go again.
     
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  14. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dude got beat and he needs to move on already
     
  15. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    no

    Ward should be disqualified
     
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