Kovalev in Other Era's.

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    A Classicist wetdream (and why it is initiated on this forum)... I certainly hope the moderators can follow the train of thought here..


    We have a prime, very powerful, fundamental and scientific guy who makes 175 and generally destroys his opponents at that weight but walks around well over 200. In previous eras he would be a classic tweener, powerful and long enough to compete with the big boys but champion in the lower ranks. Perhaps the bigger boys in past times were closer in reach, perhaps, as some insist, size doesn't even matter

    How would he fare in the heavyweight division of the 1950's? 1960's 1980's? 2000's?

    Do you see any diminishing returns as the decades progress or would he be just as competitive versus Wlad as he would versus a shopworn Ezzard Charles?
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I think Kovalev can be a top 10 ATG at light heavyweight, and the talent level in his time line has a good mix of accomplished veterans and young stars on the rise.

    Light heavies today essentially fight at 185-190 on fight night, so the weights are comparable with heavyweights from the 1950-1960's. It's plausible that he could have beaten Marciano, Patterson, or Ingo. Ingo would be his best chance.

    I think Kovalev would be whacked in the 1980's-2000's as he's giving up too much size, and doesn't have a good enough chin in a time line with lots of punchers.
     
  3. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would like to know how you think he would go right now in the heavyweight division. Do you think he is the biggest threat out there to Wlad?

    History shows that the light heavy champ more often than not will beat an aging alltime great. I think Wlad is probably still good enough, but i would give Kovalev as good a chance as anyone of beating Wlad, and i think i would give him 50 50 or better chance against any other fighter around that i can think of off hand. Though i suppose i do give him the benefit of the doubt in a few unproven areas.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Wow.

    I don't think even Kovalev's mama would give him a chance against Waldo
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Kovalev went tooth and nail with Pascal who was only able to fight a few 10 second spurts per round.

    Dawson ranks higher than Krusher on the LHW ATG list and he will never be anywhere near the top 10.

    Its not plausible at all he would beat Marciano. What is it about cossacks that derails you off the tracks of reality?
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I will know better, when I see a bit more of him in this era.
     
  7. Rock0052

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    I'm not especially sold on Kovalev's chin against punchers at heavyweight, there's a question about how much power he'll carry up, and he's not the greatest fit stylistically to compensate if either of those doesn't check out. That doesn't mean he wouldn't... I'm going to cop out and say "let me get back to you on that".

    Would he be another Foster at heavyweight where the physical advantages going away exposes some things, or could he make that step up and be a top 5 caliber HW in most eras, post 1990 notwithstanding? For the first half of the century, I think there's a place for him in the top 10 of most of the eras, but I say that without a ton of confidence about staying power.

    Fun fighter to watch, though. I'd need to cheat and see him at Cruiserweight once or twice to give a guess I'd feel at least somewhat comfortable about.
     
  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would anyones mama give their sons a chance against Wlad at the moment? (Although if he keeps fighting, it will happen one day, probably sooner rather than later).

    Going purely off boxrec here, but how do you think he stacks up to:

    Povetkin, Fury, Pulev, Wilder, Glazcov, Thompson, Tarver, Jennings, Takam.

    Surely he beats Tarver 9 out of 10 times, if noone else. Making him theoretically a top 10 fighter in the world. Is this agreed?
     
  9. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pascal gave him a bit of trouble at times but I'd hardly say he "went tooth and nail" with him.
     
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  10. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd love to see Kovalev take one of Ingo's shots. I know where I'd put my moola
     
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  11. Seamus

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    Pascal gave him trouble as in how another professional boxer can give you trouble. But Kova trounced him in the end.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Kovalev beat Marciano? Was that a typo?

    We don't even know if kovalev can beat Andre ward
     
  13. Shake

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    I'm not sure Kovalev can beat Golovkin. I'd bet on the middleweight champ, to be honest.
     
  14. The Long Count

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    I like Kovalev I think he is for real but I need to see him in two more fights before comparisons. It's just a tad early for me to make comparisons. But I have been very impressed. Let's see who is next after Mohammedi and how he does.
     
  15. tinman

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    I don't remember Pascal giving Kovalev much trouble at all.

    What I saw was Kovalev tasted Pascal's power, and decided that he didn't really have a lot for him and then started walking him down.

    And then of course finished him.