Kubrat Pulev will school and batter Dereck Chisora

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I don't agree but it's a good post.
     
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  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Pulevs best wins? Chisora and Hughie fury... wow, great record.

    Pulev has rarely stepped up and each time got obliterated.

    I feel like Chisora has improved since his fight with Pulev, whilst Pulev has done nothing of worth.

    He got a title fight for beating ****ing Hughie Fury when he was like 23.
     
  3. ShortRound

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    You mean Germany. Pulev is past prime but so is Chisora, probably further past prime and especially as far as this matchup goes. Pulev will still be allowed to clinch, maybe not as much but there will be a lot of it.
     
  4. ShortRound

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    Kevin Johnson is probably Chisora's 3rd best win and probably Pulev's 7th.

    Pulev is not "stepping up" against 12 loss journeyman Chisora; he's stepping down against a guy he schooled years ago. Chisora is a shell of the fighter he was when he lost to Pulev. Even Hughie Fury would batter this version of Chisora.
     
  5. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I never said he was stepping up facing Chisora, I'm saying, like Chisora, whenever he's stepped up he's been pulverised, and the OP made reference to the amount of Chisora's losses but if Pulev had stepped up as many time as Chisora to fight top 5-10 level opponents, he'd have a lot more losses.

    Pulev's best win is Hughie Fury at 23 years old. Chisora's best win is Takam.

    And you could argue Chisora has the best win as he clearly should have won against Parker the first time.

    Pulev and Chisora have similar records, neither of them have any impressive wins.
     
  6. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think he will but I'd be happy to see Chosora KO Pulev. Pulev is a talented enough guy but he took the easy route in his career and didn't face top comp apart from the title shots he was gifted. Even now he could be a good measuring stick against top prospects but he seems unwilling to do that
     
  7. GGGunbeatable

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    I don't remember well but didn't Pulev school Chisora for 12 rounds and even laughed at him at the end?
     
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  8. ShortRound

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    Pulev is on a higher level than Chisora so "stepping up" is relative. If Pulev had fought Parker twice, Whyte twice, Helenius and Kabayel, he would have been "stepping down" and favoured to win those fights. Pulev would have more losses if he'd faced Fury, Vitali, Usyk and the rest but it would be several more, not ten more.

    Hughie was 24 when he fought Pulev and the inactive 37 year old Pulev won the vast majority of the rounds, beat Hughie far better than Parker did a greener, less mature version. Chisora is Pulev's best win as he at least beat Takam in a fight he was getting battered in and Pulev beat Chisora by a wide margin, stylistically it was an easy fight. The likes of ancient Tony Thompson, prime Dimitrenko and prime Ustinov would be top wins on Chisora's record. Even Jerry Forrest would be one of Chisora's top 5 wins.
     
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  9. ShortRound

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    To get the title shot against Wlad he had some notable victories at the time: Pulev was 20-0, with victories over 32-1 Dimitrenko (whose only loss was an MD against contender Eddie Chambers) by KO11, 27-0 Ustinov by KO11 and a clear UD over 38-3 2x world title challenger Tony Thompson, who was coming off back to back KO victories over the heavily hyped, formerly 15-0 prospect/contender David Price. Pulev was regarded as one of Wlad's strongest contenders.

    To get his second title shot against AJ he went on an 8 win streak, with notable victories over world title challengers 25-5 Chisora and 21-1 Hughie, both by clear UD's. He only had one loss (to Wlad) and the likes of Whyte and Miller weren't interested in fighting him in Bulgaria, even at 37 after an 18 month layoff. I don't see how he was gifted title shots relative to other contenders around the same time.

    I imagine he doesn't want to risk getting his brains bashed in by a prospect/rising contender in a small money fight in the twilight of his career.
     
  10. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fair enough points. I guess my frustration with him is that I always thought of him as a pretty good fighter, I would have liked to see him face a few more top ten guys. We know he can comfortably beat Chisora, this does nothing for him. If he's still fighting to get a title shot he should be trying for Wilder or Joyce. Even at his age, it wouldn't shock me if he beat Dubois or a similar level prospect but unlike Chisora he's never seem too keen on taking dangerous fights.
     
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  11. VOXDEI

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    Pulev should probably be the favourite.

    Chisora's toughness is pretty questionable at this stage which has been a big attribute for his whole career, same can be said for his gas tank.

    Pulev showed himself to still be at least reasonably tough v AJ, he can rely a bit more on power and is a more technical boxer.

    Chisora could get him though, wouldn't be a huge shock.
     
  12. Reinhardt

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    Yeah it's a 50-50 fight, they are both 50% of what they once were.
     
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  13. BeantownAll

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    Have to disagree with you about Pulev's best win being Hughie Fury.

    Pulev was the first fighter to stop both Alexander Dimitrenko and Alexander Ustinov.

    I'll admit that many of Pulev's opponents since he fought Wlad have not been very good (and a few were beyond washed up)
     
  14. BeantownAll

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    There are lots of reasons fans have come to dislike Pulev:
    • The pretty suspect caliber of his much of his opposition since fighting Wlad. Examples? George Arias, Maurice Harris, Samuel Peter, Kevin Johnson before the AJ fight. And Bogdan Dinu and Rydell Booker since the AJ fight. Pretty scruffy opponents.
    • On the basis of fighting George Arias, Maurice Harris, Samuel Peter, Kevin Johnson - he somehow was named the IBF mandatory in 2017. That was not popular.
    • And then he gets injured before his fight with AJ and his camp keeps that quiet for 10 days. He pulls out of the fight - and a lot of fans accuse him of being scared to face AJ.
    • Somehow Pulev finally does get to fight AJ...without much in the way of meaningful victories to earn him the opportunity.
     
  15. ShortRound

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    "Bogdan Dinu and Rydell Booker since the AJ fight"

    They were also pre-AJ opponents. The only opponents he's fought since AJ are a washed up mma fighter in a hybrid bout and Forrest on Triller.

    "On the basis of fighting George Arias..."

    You neglected to acknowledge beating Chisora prior to being named mandatory, plus the fact that Whyte and Miller (and no doubt others) avoided him.

    "And then he gets injured before his fight with AJ"

    That was suspect.

    "Somehow Pulev finally does get to fight AJ...without much in the way of meaningful victories"

    On his post-Wlad 8 fight win streak Chisora and Hughie were notable wins. There were more dangerous contenders AJ's team could have gone for (Ortiz in 2017, Usyk in 2020) but it's not Pulev's fault he was chosen instead of them. Compare Pulev's record to the records of other AJ contenders and it doesn't compare unfavourably to most, all of them have their filler opponents and tune-ups.

    I think the main reason why boxing fans don't like Pulev is his cautious jab and grab style and lack of KO power.
     
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