Kudos to Povetkin and the Heavyweight Division

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by seldomseenslim, Jan 27, 2008.


  1. AmazingHook

    AmazingHook Active Member Full Member

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    Anyone who think the heavyweight division is better than ever today can't really be serious. That's the worst thing I've heard in a long time


    As for American fighters....Eddie Chambers is only a descent fighter but he's still one of the best american Heavyweights so that's says a lot about how much the american HW scene suck right now.
     
  2. seldomseenslim

    seldomseenslim Member Full Member

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    "Anyone who think the heavyweight division is better than ever today can't really be serious."

    That's the Politically Correct American Party Line, repeated ad nauseum by the talking heads on the tv, the Kellermans, etc., and parroted on these boxing forums.

    They are throwing their hissy fits because black Americans have been totally deposed from the heavyweight division.

    In fact, all of their media-hyped champs of the recent past - the Alis, Fraziers, etc. - need to have an asterisk next to their names because eastern Europeans were not allowed to turn pro. Now they are, and the results are obvious.
     
  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok, whats your excuse for 10-15 years ago when the Heavyweight scene was dominated by talented American fighters? I think it's obvious to most people that has watched boxing over the past 20 years, the talent level of most of these so called "Big Heavyweights", are limmited. I could see why the Heavyweight division is the laughing stock in boxing right now, no personalities, bad physical shape, and limmited boxing skills, you sir our clearly the minority in your way of thinking.
     
  4. Strike

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    So why then ******, are washed up old fighters who couldn't win a title in their primes able to win world titles now? Guys like Briggs who could not win a title at their best, are able to win one now by KO as old, past it fighters...

    Guys like Matt Skelton who are 40, have only been boxing for 6 years are able to go 12 rounds winning a few with one of the "world champions" of todays pathetic era.

    Fighters like Holyfield who can barely walk and are so shot it is untrue are losing by 5 or 6 rounds in World Title fights to unbeaten prime "champs".:lol:

    It is the most pathetic era of any division at any period of the sports history and if Wlad quit tommorow a weak chinned, average stamina, cruiserweight like Haye could clean up.
     
  5. seldomseenslim

    seldomseenslim Member Full Member

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    So why then ******...


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    You need to put a comma between then and ******. I wouldn't normally correct grammar on a boxing forum - participants not being generally noted for their intellectual acuity - but if someone is going to take it upon himself to address me as "******"...
     
  6. seldomseenslim

    seldomseenslim Member Full Member

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    First of all, you and your friends are the ones trying to come up with excuses, excuses for why black americans have been deposed from the heavyweight division - and, again, the heavyweight division is only the "laughing stock" of you and your friends and the talking heads on the US media, not the rest of the world!

    10 or 15 years ago eastern europeans had not yet established themselves in the pros.

    Exhibit A and Exhibit B:

    It is almost universally accepted that both Doug Jones and Jimmy Young beat Muhammed Ali fair and square but were then robbed by the judges. I submit that Chambers is much better and bigger and stronger than either Jones or Young. Henry Cooper also beat Ali in the first fight, but due to Dundee's cheating, Ali got an extended rest period between rounds. The record books need to be corrected, and Cooper declared the winner. Cooper only weighed 185, Douglas 188. Chambers weighed 220.
     
  7. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont understand how you can accuse me of making excuses when just in this post you stated 10 or 15 years ago eastern Euros had not yet established themselves, that sounds like a big excuse to me, maybe it was because the Americans were so talented they couldnt compete with them at the top level.

    As far as Ali is concerned, in his younger days he was so talented you coudnt keep your eyes of him, which is a far cry from todays talent limmited Heavyweights.
     
  8. G_RapPBF

    G_RapPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your a complete ****ing moron.Muhammad Ali would have beat both those bums in the ring last night at the same time when he was WASHED UP. A prime Ali would have sent both of those bums to the hospital. Povetkin won on default, because Eddie Chambers didnt throw a punch. Boy do you know nothign about what makes boxing a sport to love. Lewis, Holyfield, hell even Tommy ****ing Morrison would own that pitiful division. When Gay Eddie Chambers is 5 punches per round away from being the top contender in the heavyweight division you know its full of nothing but bums, The only good fighter in that division is Wlad, the rest are scrubs who wouldnt make journeymen rank 10 years ago.
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Foreman and Holmes were also beating 90's contenders when they were in their 40's. Both went the distance with Holyfield in losing a pretty lopsided decision, just like Holyfield went the distance with Ibragimov losing a wide, wide decision.

    Holyfield won 1 round, 2 at best. Have you even seen that fight? It was a lopsided loss.

    So what's stopping him? The money is there.


    I do think the 90's were better, by the way, but i think you're exaggarating a little.
     
  10. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why don’t you shut the hell up about the fight if you didn’t even see it. Povetkin didn’t win this one as easily as looking just the score cards would let you to think. There where many tought almost even rounds, what was scored for Povetkins favor because of his activity. If you like defense and accuracy you could have scored some of those rounds for Chambers too.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Dork. :yep

    The beginning and the end were like two completely different fights.

    That's like saying you saw the last few rounds of Margarito-Clottey and announcing "well, that was a shutout!" :rofl

    And you think you have enough of a frame of reference to start a thread about your ill-formed convictions? Then you come out and admit you don't have a leg to stand on? Ha, wave goodbye to any credibility around here.
     
  12. Strike

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    Don't start with some **** poor grammar crap. I write in cogent sentences, but this is not an academic essay so when writing quickly, I will not check and double check on whether every comma is in place.

    The fact is that you are a ****ing half wit if you think this is the strongest era ever, it is not even open to debate.
     
  13. seldomseenslim

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    I agree with that. the German boxing crowds are a little too polite and refined for for my taste.

    As for the cursing and spitting and name-calling keyboard "tough guys" here, you'll have to learn how to impersonate a semi- civilized grown up if you expect me to respond to you. You would not talk to me like that face to face, and I don't respond to that posturing prepubescent bullcrap online.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, it could be tough guy posturing...or maybe, just maybe - that's how hypocrisy and blatantly misinformed and willfully ignorant rhetoric are addressed in any arena of discussion. :good

    You're the one who put your foot in your mouth. Don't be mad at others for then pointing out that your breath stinks.
     
  15. G_RapPBF

    G_RapPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lmao I'd call you a moron to your face for even implying that any of these eastern european robotic bums could be in the same ring of any decent American heavyweight over the last 50 years. Then you take it one step further and tried to say that Russian bum last night is a good fighter when the only reason he won because the other guy didnt throw punches. :nut That had to be the first fight I've seen in ages that was won on default because the other guy didnt fight back. Unless you score boxing by someones gloves hitting another guys arms for 12 rounds. Tommy Morrison wins undisputed belt at this crappy era in the heavyweight division, on coke before the fight.