l. lewis vs primo carnera.....

Out of those I would give you Corbett,Sharkey was probably on a par,what film have you seen of Hart to include him?
I think Mike Spinks and Willard both hit appreciably harder than Carnera,Holmes and Ali too I dont agree with your picks at all,maybe Leon is around Carnera's level for power,Douglas hit harder than Carnera ever did.

 

Guys, the man's record was bulit on fixes, can we get real ? Why is he not listed on ANY historians as a top 100 puncher with that record ? The man was game and became a half way decent fighter who had a jab, good stamina, decent movement for his size and a huge heart. That was at his best. To say he was anything more than an average puncher is a push. Lewis would clobber him in a mismatch ...

 

I personally think it's a bit of a myth that Carnera's record was built on fixes. Sure a lot of his early fights were pre-determined, due to the terrible opposition he fought, but I doubt they truly had to convince the clubfighters he fought to lay down. He was one of the first boxers ever to be built up in the way that today's boxers are which explains his impressive knockout record.

The better his opposition got, the less knockouts he scored, thus I wouldn't call him a great puncher. But he could hurt a man when he hit them flush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEXUWZGiAc

I also can't imagine the Sharkey fight being a fix because Sharkey had been laying some serious leather on Carnera previous to the one punch knockout. He simply got caught by a much bigger, stronger man.

 

Apart from the highly controversial stoppage of Sharkey ,who did Carnera knock out ?
The name fighters he fought
Levinsky went the distance twice.
Lasky went the distance.
McCorkindale went the distance.
Neusel retired with a cut eye .
Loughran conceding 84 lbs went the distance
Uzcudun went the distance twice
Gains went the distance and dropped Carnera for a comfortable win.
Poreda went the distance.
Weak chinned Maloney went the distance twice,winning one.
Baer laughed at Carnera's punches and slaughtered him.
Schaaf was coming back from a severe bout of influenza that had hospitalized him ,plus he was very badly kod by Baer being senseless for several minutes,in short he was damaged goods, he went over from a weak jab.
Gorman was kod by Carnera,Gormans reputation was as bad as Carnera's,this was his last fight he was 35 ,and was 25lbs over weight.
I rest my case.

 

Yes but a fighters KO% generaly falls off verry rapidly when they step up in competition.

 

The difference between Carnera's record and others is the aroma of pre -arrangement that surrounds some of them .
To capsule it Carnera kod NO first class fighters ,except Sharkey in what may have been a tank job.
As another poster has pointed out Carnera is on NO list as a puncher ,because he wasnt ,as that poster accurately stated ,Carnera was a fair, if mechanical boxer with a big heart ,he was NOT a puncher ,by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Such a fleshed out argument. Citing maybe the most padded record of all time, no exagerration what so ever there mind you.

We're talking about a regional ****ing REDNECK small club fighter who almost never fought out of his own state.

 

The most padded record of all time could be a guy you posted about Young Stribling

 

Stribling certainly fought his share of nobodies but he also had a couple of good wins.

Buck Smith's record may have been the most padded. LaMar Clark as well.

 

I saw Buck Smith fight in London ,he actually looked pretty good.

 

No proof can be provided because obviously no one is going to admit to cheating the public,but the following fights are regarded as highly "questionable"
Roy Ace Clark,started well in his fight but soon lost interest when he was threatened by his corner.
Bombo Chevalier a tank job
Big Boy Peterson two tank jobs.
George Godfrey is beleived to have fouled out rather than consent to being "Kod" by Carnera.
Neil Clisby was a sometime spar mate and travelling companion of Carnera and was in his camp.
Ditton Seal Harris who travelled down to Brazil with Carnera.
George Trafton was probably on the level , but he was a football player.
Chuck Wiggins was reliable ,he would splash on demand.
Young Stribling had two "fights" with Carnera, both are beleived to have been" arranged" .
These are the more celebrated ones.

 

Didn't translate to any wins over good fighters though aside from the upset win over Kirkland Laing. I'm sure he must've been pretty good however to win 179 times regardless of who he was fighting.

 

I really didn't expect you to agree with me on all of those, but, if you really think Jack Sharkey hit as hard as Primo Carnera, I really don't know what else to say to you except you have your opinion and I have mine, I guess.

 

Peterson may have taken a dive, or perhaps he just wasn't any good. He may have been the 1930's version of Mario Cawley. Same for Seal Harris and Roy Clark.

Godfrey from what I saw tried to take Carnera's head off with some of the right he threw but he was DQ'd after a low blow. No different from some Valuev fights that I've seen in which his opponents are disqualified for little reason.

If Wiggins did indeed take a dive, then the Carnera fight was likely his first and only dive. In other stoppage losses he absorbed beatings before going down.

The Stribling fights were likely fixed as was the Chevalier fight.

If we were to criticize Carnera then we would also have to criticize the majority of today's fighters who are brought up the same way. He fought mostly overmatched opposition to build up his impressive record (on paper).

He did prove he was a capable fighter in proven non-fixed fights against solid opposition.