l. lewis vs primo carnera.....

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  1. Mendoza

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    Carnera wasn't a big hitter, but he had some pop in him thanks to his size and weight behind the blows. I'd say Carnera pretty much every lineal / Ring Magazine champion from Joe Louis to present hit harder than Carnera, with the possible exception of Charles, and Spinks.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Peterson figures on the resume of plenty of guys who needed a build up he dived in that first fight with Carnera and showed zero ambition in their second one.
    Cook was at 5 9in 8 3/4in shorter than Carnera and 57lbs lighter,his record was 32-37-12 and 37-43-12 he had zero power scoring 11 ko in 114 fights and finished with the impressive record of45-54and was kod 16times.
    Campolo and Santa were very moderate.
    Gorman was in there strictly for the payday he was 35 and 25lbs overweight.
    Impellietiere was having his 8th fight.
    Wright was dropped by 168lbs Mickey Walker.
    Sorry you won't convince me .
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    When people say "record built on fixes" or "set-ups", that have to acknowledge that while that may or may not have been extraordinary for its times, it has certainly become almost the norm in recent decades.

    Frank Bruno, Buster Douglas, Tony Tucker, Herbie Hide, Hasim Rahman .... they all fought "set ups".
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    That's funny. Buck Smith was called to testify in a fight fixing investigation.

    The thing is, in pro boxing matchmakers dont need to fall foul of the law by OVERTLY and EXPLICITLY telling a fighter he is isn't to win. It's just done, and called "padding" and "mismatching". Guys who go down without getting hit are commonplace in boxing, and they are in demand !

    When the law investigates boxing and fixing they are often perplexed by the way the fights are "fixed but not fixed",

    There's no way these fights can be called "on the level".
    They are definitely set-ups. Carnera gets a lot of attention because he was the FIRST hyped HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION in legalized boxing's commercial era who's record was a manufactured product of this type of cynical matchmaking. But it's unlikely that mobsters would bother to pay off, or need to threaten, all those mismatched tomato cans in "gangster film" style fixes. And even if they did, there's no difference between fixing and "fixing".
     
  5. The Kurgan

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    I see; I thought you meant he was an ABOVE average puncher.

    Who would you say hit less hard than Carnera?
     
  6. he grant

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    Carnera was muscle bound and got zero leverage behind his shots. A pure arm puncher. His story is very basic. He was a giant promoted for gate appeal. He did develope some skills over time based on his size. He had a decent jab. He was very strong physically. He was well conditioned, especially for such a big man. His chin was average but he had good recooperative powers and a ton of heart. His hand speed wasn't terrible. This combination did allow him to do o.k. against certain styles. However, it does not take away from the fact 80% of his pretitle bouts were tank jobs and his power was a myth.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    It would be a bit like the Grant fight, only easier IMO
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Chris Byrd:deal
     
  9. janitor

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    This is true but Carnera knocked him across the ring with such force that he broke a ring post.

    Now I dont think that Carnera was a heavy hitter by superheavyweight standards but he was relative to the heavyweights of his own era.
     
  10. TheGreatA

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    No one ever knocked Wright out though aside from Sam Langford in his first couple of bouts and Primo Carnera.

    Impellietiere never had many professional bouts but he gave 3 tough fights to Tommy Loughran.

    A year previously Gorman had beaten a young Tony Galento. I wouldn't argue that he wasn't washed up though because he was.

    Cook may have been a lot smaller but he went the distance with a lot of people.

    Campolo I'd say was decent with wins over Arturo Godoy, Tom Heeney, Gastanaga, Cook, Santa, close decisions with Johnny Risko. He was also huge at 6'10. Santa was more of a freak show due to his size (6'9, 250 lbs) but with no good wins aside from one over Jim Maloney.

    Again this is not supposed to convince anybody of Carnera being a great puncher but he wasn't exactly feather-fisted either.
     
  11. janitor

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    This is an incredible statment.

    What tangible evidence is there to suggest that as many as 80% of his pre title fights were tank jobs?

    Why were his handelers paying so many fighters who would have had little chance against him in any event to lie down?
     
  12. The Kurgan

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    Chris Byrd doesn't hit hard? Tell that to...

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    Good point.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    80% ? Fact ?
     
  14. mcvey

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    Your post is a bit muddled ,but if I interpret it correctly ,I think you underate Charles power a bit,he stopped some big men very convincingly.
     
  15. road_warrior_99

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    Carnera unfortunately was not taught to throw the power right hand properly, which should be punched through the head as anyone knows. He threw punches arriving at the head which is ok for a jab but not a power right hand. One dangerous punch Carnera did have was the uppercut simply because he could probably curl the most weight of any linear Heavyweight with his enormous bicepts. His landing % for uppercut was low but he caught Sharkey with it going through the head with enough power to finish him.