Lack of British multi weight world champs indicates a lack of skill?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by wrimc, May 25, 2010.


  1. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does our lack of multi weight champions (one of the criteria for p4p status) indicate a lack of boxing skill from our champions RJJ, Oscar De la Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Tomas Adamek, Bernard Hopkins, Sergio Martinez. All of these champions have moved up 3 or more weights during their career fairly effortlessly.

    Ricky Hatton was very ineffective at welter Kevin Mitchell was recently blasted out at lightweight Ryan Rhodes was ineffective up at middleweight. Why do we have so few boxers who are unable to compete at different weights does this indicate a much lower skill level generally from British boxers even at world level?
     
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  3. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how many people live in the USA, poland and argentina? plus in the USA boxing is undoubtedly bigger so its a numbers game to a certain extent. it takes a special combo of athlete/fighter/techician to be a multi weight world champ. it also helps to have a big promoter behind you :)
     
  4. pathmanc1986

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    it could also be argued to be a cultural thing i suppose in the sense that people in the uk and ireland have a tendancy to value to guys smashing lumps out of one another rather than two master boxers go at it(mexicans seem to be able to combine the two:huh). most of the people who first walk into a gym are the 'tougher' kids rather than the best athletes that tend to go for football rugby basketball etc
     
  5. Flea Man

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    In a nation that has produced Conteh, Driscoll, Buchanan, Lennox, I don't think 'lack of skill' can be said about us.

    Titles are easier to win nowadays: winning titles in multiple weight classes doesn't have the same prestige it once had. For a British example, Duke McKenzie. A no weight world champion in my eyes.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    What about Naz? Not at a great level but he sparked people at Fly ad Bantam before making his mark at 126.

    Jimmy Wilde didn't even put on weight; just battered bigger blokes in a time of 8 weight classes.
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

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    British kids tend to fill out at an earlier age than fighters from Asian and Hispanic origin.

    By the time they turn pro around 20 they've already fully developed.... as opposed to making your debut the week after leaving school.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    While we're talking about British fighters not being as skilled, Alan Rudkin was immensely talented. Never won a world title. Why?

    Fought in the best era for Bantamweights and there was only one world title. Still in the top 25 British fighters of all time IMO. Titles are absolutely meaningless IMO.
     
  9. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its not the titles i am really concerened with its the fact that the top British boxers cant compete with people of a naturally bigger weight class its not about the titles its the fact that De la Hoya fought at lightweight and was succesful and was competetive up to middleweight. Ricky Hatton was a much different fighter 7 pounds heavier than he normally was.

    It seems the best British fighters are only the best because they rely on bullying and a good knockout punch rather than the fundamentals and skill that would allow them to compete in a number of different weights. The only boxer i could currently envision coming close is Khan who i think could probably go up to LMW later in his career having fought a lightweight but that will probably hampered by his chin.
     
  10. LP_1985

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    didnt they get the weight wrong for the collazo fight and where much more prepared for the mayweather fight. the floyd version IMO was alot better than the collazo:good
     
  11. Beeston Brawler

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    Yeah they did the weight wrong.

    I remember he was supposed to fight Lazcano in his US debut and was down to around 11st with seven weeks to go...... according to Kerry Kayes he took the eye off the ball with his diet, 1lb a week is easy training every day pretty much regardless of what you eat..... then in the ring he was up at around 160 which was way too heavy.
     
  12. wrimc

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    People are citing the weight as being a problem but Floyd came up from super feather wheras Ricky had been campaigining at light welter all his career. OBVIOUSLY mayweather was more skilled but its that type of attitude that frustrates me if the Americans can do it why cant we?
     
  13. boxingbites

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    Marvin Hagler nuff said. I've never been a big fan of fighters moving up several weight divisions unless they naturally cant make the limit and are forced to move up.

    They usually slow down and dont have the punch power they had in the lighter divisions.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Every fighter is different. Just so happens that the Yanks have had some very athletically gifted guys over the past few decades who, with sometimes careful matchmaking, have managed to grab some straps.

    I really don't think it's particularly remarkable, nor shocking that Britain hasn't replicated the feat.
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

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    If you take Hatton and Calzaghe as examples...... think of beltholders in the weight classes around them that they could beat.

    I wouldn't rule Hatton out of making 135 at some point in his career, he won straps at 140 and 147.... are there any that won up at 154 that he was capable of beating?

    Calzaghe would have had the beating of loads of champs at 160, 168, 175.... how about a 190lb cruiser? Ruiz at heavy?

    British fighters tend to settle in a weightclass because there is the obsession with conquering Britain and Europe before moving on. Americans don't have domestic titles.