Lack of Cross-Promotional Co-operation

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by gasman, Mar 29, 2012.


  1. gasman

    gasman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This week's Editorial by Glyn Leach in Boxing Monthly is an excellent read and Glyn makes some well intentioned and robust comments on the BBBoC and the lack of collaboration amongst Britain's big promoters to match their fighters with one another.

    Some of the issues:

    - Why arent Sky leaning on their contracted promoters to make the fights?

    - With the biggest promoters tied to Channel Five, Sky and Boxnation - how can the issue of cross-promotional fights be better managed? i.e. Fury-Price, Woodhouse-McCloskey et al were conflicted due to tv and promotional politics.

    - Can the BBBoC do anything to help this impasse?

    - What potential match ups are in danger of not happening because of this problem?
     
  2. WalletInspector

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    Woodhouse-McCloskey?

    Wasn't that KO'd because it's not a good fight?
     
  3. gasman

    gasman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am pretty sure it was because Woodhouse is either managed or promoted by Wazza and it was a Matchroom show. A similar issue arose prior to that with a Matchroom fighter on a Wazza show, that didnt happen (forget the name of the fighter?)...
     
  4. Jonsey

    Jonsey Boxing Junkie banned

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    how about a rule that states....

    If a fighter pulls out of a title fight that has been won via purse bids, no boxer managed by that fighters manager will be eligable for title fights for the next 6 months.
     
  5. gasman

    gasman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like the line of thought but it would be hard to enforce, ie. a boxer could easily get a sick note from the doctor for a 'sore back' and legally the Board wouldnt have a leg to stand on.
     
  6. gasman

    gasman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rob, maybe standard manager-boxer contracts with more power to the boxer should be introduced by the Board. ie. if a fighter wants to fight on another show they can, rather than being vetoed by their manager.
     
  7. A fighter shouldn't be managed and promoted by the same person.

    I'd go a step further and say a promoter shouldn't be allowed to manage fighters.
     
  8. gasman

    gasman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree and in the US it is the case that a promoter cannot act as a manager (one or the other). But, they end up getting one of their camp or family to be the manager i.e. Don King and his relative who is a manager.
     
  9. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good

    If a fight doesn't have a legit injury and pulls out of fight ordered by the Board then BBBofC should refuse to sanction any title fights featuring that fighter.

    I think the TV companies are to blame for the lack of co-promotions cos what happens is Sky give Matchroom a date or Maloney a date and they fill it with their own fighters (usually). That's why Sky should never give promoters a bunch of dates.

    The whole thing would work a lot better if no one had any guaranteed dates and Sky effectively put them all out for auction. If that means more promoters collaborating then even better.
     
  10. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal
     
  11. GazOC

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    Rob is advocating punishing fighters that have done nothing wrong, purely for something a stablemate has done. Bad idea, grossly unfair and probably unlawful.
     
  12. It can't be enforced, restraint of trade.

    Not your fault a stablemate picks up an injury or is a ducker.

    The only people that can force fights are the TV people, unless the board bring in a rule where if you vacate a title to aren't eligible for a straight shot unless you beat a ranked contender. Of course they'd then have to start ranking contenders.

    Sky could say 'if you want our money it's you vs X, or a world title shot'. Too often we see a domestic contender sat on his arse doing nothing and some crappy import getting the fight instead for a commonwealth or euro title.
     
  13. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ah, I read Rob's post wrong.

    But it would send a message out if any fighter that pulls out of a mandated fight with anything less than a genuine injury is frozen out of the domestic title picture.

    Would be grossly unfair to punish all fighters who happen to share the same manager.
     
  14. tdw

    tdw Active Member Full Member

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    I won't say it isn't an issue but I really don't see it as a big issue in the UK right now. Fury-price is the obvious exception but Price-Sexton is happening on Sky, we almost had Burns-Crolla and Groves-Anderson on Boxnation, we just had Matchroom and Hatton co-promote for Brook-Hatton, at least technically Bellew is fighting on Sky rather than BN.

    Most British fighters could fight on another channel if that was the best fight

    I definitely would like Sky to throw their weight around more and make things happen but the situation is so much healthier than 8-10 years ago where no one fought each other
     
  15. WalletInspector

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    Hatton wasn't signed with Hatton.