LaMotta v Hopkins

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    15 rounds, 160 lbs. You pick the best version of each as you see fit. Who you putting your money on?
     
  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    LaMotta, eked out wins over technical boxers with more dimension to their game in my opinion.
     
  3. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Such as who?

    Holman Williams stands outas about the best, and it is definitely one of Lamottas best performances, but even then Hopkins is arguably every bit as good as him. I think La Motta would struggle with Hopkins class.

    He would make it through to the end, of course, and would rally throughout, but at the end of the day, LaMotta was not consistently good enough to deal with Hopkins who would win a reasonably close, but still comfortable victory.
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins would probably win a decision, but LaMotta is better suited to deal with Hopkins's tactics than any fighter that Hopkins has fought. He knew all the tricks, and had counter-measures for them, unlike the likes of Jean Pascal, Trinidad, Pavlik and others.
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hm, I think Hopkins balance and excellent switching from defense to offense and footwork will make the difference here. He was absolutly brilliant there. LaMotta wouldn´t find him for long parts in the find and Hopkins would punish him with counters when he comes close. I think LaMotta´s dedication, attitude and workrate may trouble Hopkins at times but overall I think Hopkins is just the better fighter.
     
  6. haglerfan

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    :hi:

    Long time no see.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holman was 34 and in his 177th fight, still it was considered close if I rememered rightly. I'm sure is referring to Robinson but Robbi was a much smaller 144lber when Lamotta actually won. Marshall beat him though and didn't consider him as good as Murderer's Row fighters he fought

    Hopkins imo would force Lamotta to fight his fight, outbox him outside, move away from the left hook, as Lamotta comes in with left hooks look to step off and throw right counters, hold on the inside, low blow and headbutt. Lamotta would push him and have his moments but it wouldn't be enough, even his legendary workrate against a Prime Hopkins would be near matched
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Can Hopkins deal with his pace? It's one thing to dissuade some modern, green fights who throw a few punches and get discouraged. It's another entirely to do the same against a guy who fights every second of the round, is not discouraged, has excellent offensive footwork and is very, very strong.
     
  9. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime Hopkins fought every second of every round too. We are not talking about today´s ancient one here.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Watch the Hopkins-Mercado fights and answer your own Q
     
  11. carlosg815

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    Give me Jake Lamotta anyday of the week in this matchup. Bernard never looked too impressive to me when he fought a real middleweight fighter.

    I don't see anyway that he breaks Lamotta down the way he was able to do against smaller men that moved up to 160.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont think that Lamotta was at the elite level of middleweights. He was a good fighter, but nowhere near as good as most people seem to rate him today. The win over Ray was a good win, but does anyone here really not think that Hopkins in his prime wouldnt also do the same to a welterweight Ray Robinson. I think he does exactly the same as he did to Trinidad, or De La hoya, stops him. And i dont even think that Middleweight Ray would be as dominant over Hopkins as he was over Lamotta.
     
  13. Armstrong!

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    LaMotta would simply outwork him to a very fair decision.
     
  14. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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  15. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    i like hopkins by close decision in an ugly, foul-filled fight.