I think Maxie would have bullshitted and schlepped his way to a decision. And, uh, er uh...Jake definitely wouldn't have gone down in this one (smile)..
Rosenbloom would have slapped Jake silly. He was a bigger and stronger man,who slapped hundreds of punches. Beat bigger men than LaMotta...
No chance, and just wasn't the done thing states side, (fighting the bigboys), they didn't need too, fights at good money were plenty enough...
Youd have to favor Rosenbloom but I certainly wouldnt write LaMotta off. Rosenbloom was in his prime at LHW and LaMotta clearly was not. But, Rosenbloom was never, even at his best, unbeatable and he certainly lost or drew with fighters not as good as Jake. You have to give Jake an outside shot at the decision. At MW I would definately favor Jake. He was clearly the better MW.
Rosenbloom made a career out of winning decisions in spite of being unable to hurt his opponents. This would serve him well against LaMotta who shined against boxers relying on punching power. No footage on Rosenbloom but you can imagine him slapping away and grinding out a hard-fought decision over the Bronx Bull. See Rosenbloom vs Walker I, although it shouldn't be forgotten that he lost to an old Mickey Walker in the rematch. He wasn't a dedicated trainer and his lack of power made it difficult for him to consistently beat high class opponents. LaMotta could stay in the fight while behind on the cards knowing he only needed to land a few good punches to turn it around, no such option for Rosenbloom.
agree very much with your post except for this part. Despite maxie having NO chance of hurting jake, lamotta's own power at the elite level was pretty average at best. even mediocre. imo rosenbloom's chin was solid enough to take whatever lamotta throws, even in one of his infamous late round rallies
Solid indeed....Maxie fought almost 300 times and was stopped twice- once at the end of his career, and once when he claimed a low blow that was disallowed. Knocking him down was one thing, but stopping him was a whole other story.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX1TWNY7lnY[/ame] He's not KO'ing Rosenbloom in a million years but LaMotta did have the kind of power to score a comeback KO over a tiring opponent. Rosenbloom, except in a few very rare occasions, showed no punching power at all. Think of Malignaggi in recent times, except with 'Slapsie' Maxie being far craftier and physically stronger. He looked to have a powerful physique, but it did not translate to a big punch. With the post I was merely pointing out how frustrating and discouraging it sometimes must have been for a boxer like Rosenbloom who could not rely on power but instead had to work the whole 15 rounds in order to win a decision each time. This also allowed him to become as crafty and experienced as he was.
Two good posts. A much closer fight than generally given credit for in the thread and I also think it would be an absolutely superb contest. I'm also going to thrust my neck out a little further than GreatA and say that LaMotta has a style advantage and allowing for attributes and that Jake could win a decision with the right kind of judges ie officials that didn't care that Jake occasionally looked like a spacker and who valued Jakes punches more highly than Rosenblooms, which wouldn't be that rare or surprising. LaMotta is a live dog IMO.
Plus, he doesn't need a KO to change a fight with punches. Badly hurting an oppoent in round 12 can make him shy for 3 very crucial rounds. Even re-catching the floating rib that you already bent in round 4 can have this type of affect. Not that i'm doubting Maxie's heart you understand, i'm just saying that a tireless swarming opponent has a very natural advantage against an opponent without that natural intensity.
Yes, Jake could come back from the brink of defeat and ko a Laurent Dauthuille, but not a Maxie Rosenbloom. No comparison between the chin and toughness of the Frenchman and Maxie.