Langford - Jeannette - Full Clip-Real Speed

i look foward to it.

 

Thanks Mendoza!
Thanks HE Grant!

From what I read in Moyle's book, Langford's corner conceeded in Sam's first fight with Joe after Sam could no longer see enough to defend himself. Sam wasn't yet experienced enough in fighting larger fighters and Jeanette won their first meeting handily.

 

that would be good for the langford fight and the dempsey fight HE.

 

hollly molly thank you grant!!!




One of the things that stuck out to me the most was the distance they stood from each other during the outfighting.

That means those punches were hurting like hell, and they really did not want to get hit. But if you also notice, that at that distance, they are able to land jabs effectively WITHOUT compromising their balance. Especially Jeanette, he really impressed me. Especially with his balance

 

You dont factor in all the other things, like punching power. If there was a fighter who fought like Lopez did against Marquez, standing in front of the opponent, throwing short punches, he would get demolished by these guys. In those times? You cant fight like they fight today.

The the punches theyre throwing, with the gloves they have, the modern technical styles dont stand a chance. You cant cover your body and your head with those gloves. Youll be like a rock sitting in the middle of the ring, crouching your body so your elbows are at your midsection and your hands at your face, and you would get pummled. These fighters are smart enough to use ring movement and distance. They cant stand toe to toe in the pocket trading blows.

 

The disparity and flux of opinions concerning Jeannette are striking in this thread, and have nothing to do with the quality of footage, or the fact that this is a single match snapshot in time with one particular opponent. Interesting discordance.

Jeannette has a tremendous record against some outstanding opposition. He would snag a newspaper decision over Sam the next time they squared off, ten months later. He would soon take a controversial championship distance decision over Carpentier, the only loss sustained by The Orchid Man between Papke in 1912 and Dempsey in 1921. A couple years after this, he would lift the "colored" title from Langford in Boston. Sam's considered in many quarters to be the greatest puncher and knockout artist in history, and took out Wills twice when he was past 30, yet he couldn't manage it with Jeannette until unlucky (for Joe) fight 13 in their series, again, when the older Jeannette was pushing 37. The critical comments about him disregard the reality of what he achieved in his career as a whole.

 

This is why I prefer to rate the man, and the the time he fought in. Jeanette was athletic for sure. With a modern trainer he could have refined his techniqe. Speaking of techniqe, Ali was not a good technician, but he got away with it because he was so fast and athletic.

Yes, the old timers were tougher. They lived in a day and age where they had to crack a sweat to accomplish some of life mundane tasks.

 

Wow. That was a privilage.

Many thanks to Mendoza and H.E. Grant.

 

yea

wow...watched it again, it amazing. It might be one of my favorite fight films ever.

Jeanette had some moves that I cant even explain. One of them was like a leaping falling-step uppercut. I dont even see em coming. When Jeanette is at a safe distance, I will watch Sams style and out of nowhere, BAM! He moved in with such quickness, AND I think the footage still might slower then real life speed by a very small percentage.

Langford's power though? wow! Joe looked like he was stuck in the middle on an earthquake after some of the knockdown punches. I could see his entires body shake and head snap back. But wow he kept on getting up, incredible.


Speaking of athleticism Mendoza, did you see towards the first 5 minutes of the fight, Jeanette standing still and moving his upper body in "Ali fashion" . That was a standout moment for me as well. I could also easily see their muscles through the terrible camera quality of those days, much more than most fighters of that time on film.


If you guys, and the powers that be, want, I could make a quick highlight clip of the significant moments in this fight.

 

Thanx HE and Mendoza..

My thoughts:

1. Sam Langford was a great fighter. I underestimated his power. Man, he was a wicked one punch KO artist. That left hook is a shot from hell. He is also very agile, and quick with his feints and handspeed. My suscipions of his defense, however, remain intact. He struggles with the jab, does not move his head, and keeps a low gaurd which all contribute to vulnerability.

2. Joe Jeanette was a freak athletically for his time. Fast, Strong, Tough. He had all the tools. Quick sharp jab, fast hands, once again very athletic. His problem was, he never refined his technique. His technique, particularly his punching, was very sloppy for his standup style. On defense he leaned back too much, and kept low hands. If this guy had technician skills like Harold Johnson, he would have been one of the best ever. For what he was, still a very good fighter.

 

Fighting with your hands up wouldn´t work that well in that time with those gloves and that many rounds. It´s just not efficient. You need too much energy for keeping them up all the time for the advantages it brings, especially when yiou factor in that your body isn´t as protected and body-punches with those small gloves hurt even more.

Langford isn´t really fighting with a low guard. His right is at or near his chin most of the time, ready to parryor block incoming punches, while his left is low inviting the opponent to throw so that he can counter. Reminds me a bit of Archie Moore, James Toney and Floyd Mayweather.

 

First time watching the clip in full, although most of my eye was pointed toward Langford in hopes of getting a better grasp of him. I wasn't dissapointed in the slightest. He seems exactly the kind of fighter I've come to expect having read so much on his style. While he obviously looks a murderous puncher, his technical skills are on great display here. He seems the type to be nearly impossible to beat playing a pure boxing role, as Jeanette attempted. The reasons being his uncanny ability to own the distance, with an impeccable sense of where to cut the ring off with minimalist movement. Not to mention his fantastic parrying skills. There were even points during the footage where he used a Moore-esque criss-cross guard when the situation called for it in close.

Offensively he showed a very good jab, off-setting Jeanette's height and movement with body jabs and the counter left/hook off the parry. He looked very at home with in-fighting, especially in the clinch, where he showed a compact uppercut with great accuracy mixed in with his body work. Just a very well-balanced technician. There didn't seem to be a moment of wasted motion from him. He had all the bases covered.

 

More a freak than Jeffries? His jab is ****ing laughable. He must be fast to get away with the kind of punches he is throwing, I'll agree with that. I don't get where the "athletic" term really comes in. He is raw and tough, like most of his contemporaries, and possesses a certain style he seems comfortable with but which is severely lacking by standards a few decades further along even ad******g for glove size and rounds. I think a lot is being read into his awkwardness that, frankly, just isn't there. Honestly, I really don't see a lot there but a tough, desperate guy. Langford is a man among boys.

 

Here were my initial thoughts 2 weeks ago:

Jeanette has been something of a mystery to modern historians, but after seeing this film, we can get an idea of his style, tendencies, and best stuff.

Joe holds his hands low, bends his knees a lot, and uses his shoulder a bit to limit the oppositions openings. He is very mobile, and quick, capable of taking quick steps backwards to make his opposition miss. He can also quickly circle around his man. His foot speed is very good.

On offense Jeanette has a long jab that he sticks out with good speed, a straight right to the body, and an amateurish, but exciting leaping left hook. Jeanette's right hand seems average, and without top level power. Joe does have a good straight right to the body, though, but not much of a cross to the head in a conventional sense. In a clinch, Jeanette can impose his size a bit, but he's not a clamp down type of clincher.

As I suspected Jeanette's heart, and ability to recuperate from blows is outstanding. Langford floors him three time in a round, yet Jeanette beats the count each time, and comes back reasonably well to start the next rounds.

I have seen Langford a few times. Sam is short, but very compact. He has very broad and strong shoulders, a piece of iron for a chin, and hits very hard with accuracy. Langford is poor out fighter and won't out jab a decent fighter due to his height, but he has a strong will, and is determined. Once Langford starts landing his best stuff, the tide turns. Some of the blows Langford lands here would have knocked out most past and previous champions.