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I'm not sure if 'avoided at all costs' is right. 2 black men fighting certainly wasn't drawing big in the US, I know there were offers from France/Australia although how firm these offers is open to debate and something McVey/mendoza have argued 100page threads over. Jack like many champions was happy to pick up easy money instead of putting his body in hard fights, it doesn't mean he wouldn't have won.

 

I think Jack Johnson looks slightly better on film than Langford. I also think Johnson style matches up perfectly to dismantle Langford. I pick Johnson over Langford every time.

 

The National Sporting Club in London, offered Johnson £3,000 to fight
Langford ,and that included him paying his own way over from the States and training exe's. Jack picked up a $3000, guarantee to go 6 sloppy rds to a no dec with Jack O Brien.Jack was many things, but stupid he emphatically was not.Talks of Johnson being offered big purses to fight Langford in Australia were just that ,talk.
HD Mcintosh promoted, and refereed the Johnson ,v Burns fight in 1908,19 months later, he still had the gate receipts, which he told Johnson he was betting on him to beat Jeffries, and he cleaned up.

What would a fight between Johnson ,and Langford have drawn?
Three months prior to the Johnson V Jeffries fight ,Langford scaled 166lbs to fight Jim Barry, Johnson weighed 208 when he crucified Jeffries.This was the last time Johnson was really in shape,I dont think Langford could have beaten him then.


"Langford’s only meaningful loss was to future Heavyweight Champion Jack Johnson in 1906. Langford was only a light-middleweight at the time fighting an almost unbeatable “Galveston Giant.” Langford would later admit, “Jack handed me the only real beating I ever took”. Floored twice, he lost a 15 round decision".Written By: Samuel Pinnington

 

I'd pick Johnson over Langford in a competitive fight in 1908, then increasingly tougher wins for Johnson until 1912. After that I go with Langford until his eyes went. Langford did drop him when he was barely a middleweight.

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So you'd say the Johnson avoiding a big money fight with Langford is pure revisionism? Do we have newspaper reports of Johnson-Langford?

 

I don't doubt that Johnson avoided Langford,what I strongly doubt is that big purses for the fight were ever a reality.
Newspaper reports of their fight?

 

Langford did NOT drop Johnson,in fact he was dropped twice himself, and received long counts both times, in addition ,he had his nose broken Johnson won easily .
"I have to take my hat off to Johnson, he handed me the only real beating I ever took".Sam Langford.
The lie that Langford dropped Johnson was propagated by his manager Sam Woodman . He later admitted to Nat Fleischer, in an interview which was published in The Ring, that it did not happen," you got me Nat , I was only trying to drum up interest for a return fight".
Johnson himself wrote an open letter to The Ring complaining about the mythical knock down and elaborating on the fight, stating, I gave Langford one of the five biggest beatings I ever handed out ,along with Jeffries and Burns ".
Dont get carried away by the Johnson haters bull ****.

In his book Johnson said ,"if Langford really believes he knocked me down , I must have beat him worse than I thought".

A D Phillips,Fleischer's, father in law was at the fight,he stated Johnson beat the **** out of Langford.As did Tad Dorgan, the famous sports writer,who was also there.

I completely agree with you that, after 1912 it would be a titanic battle, a Johnson anything less than 100% would likely lose,and, after the Jeffries fight[1910] ,Johnson was never in top shape again.

 

Interesting nugets, I'm guessing there was no newspaper report as suspected

 

I totally concur :good

 

Johnson was offered £8000 to fight Bombadier Billy Wells at Earls Court in 1911,this would have been a bout $16,000 for a cake walk ,political pressure stopped it.
Langford received £3,500 for beating Bill Lang in 1911,at the Olympia AC London.
I think I am right in saying, La

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ngford's best purse was against Iron Hague.

 

Here's some newspaper coverage of their April 1906 fight:

Boston Post - April 27, 1906

“CAMBRIDGE LAD WENT FULL DISTANCE BUT WAS BADLY BEATEN.
In one of the most one-side bouts ever seen in Chelsea, Jack Johnson of California, won the decision over Sam Langford of Cambridge after 15 rounds at the Lincoln Athletic Club last night.

In the sixth round Johnson put Langford to the mat for the count twice, the first time with a right uppercut to the chin. Both times Langford struggled to his feet at the count of nine and stalled to the end of the round.

After the sixth it ceased to be a contest, Langford merely stalling it out, clinching and holding on at every opportunity. The bout sellted down to a question of how long Langford could stay. He let Johnson do all the forcing, countering with a straight left occasionally, then closing in and hanging on.

The feature of the bout was the extraordinary defensive work of Langford and his remarkable ability to take punishment. It was a wonder that he could stand the beating that Johnson handed him.

He was game to the core, and won the cheers of the corwd by his courage and cleverness. But when that is said, nothing more in praise of the bout could be added.

It was too one-sided to be interesting. Johnson outweighed Langford by fully 30 lbs., and was a head taller and six inches more reach.

Johnson didn’t try very hard. His superiority was evident from the outset and he didn’t have to. In the first three rounds Langford , by his cleverness, held his own.

Johnson had a slight advantage in the first; the second was even, and in the third, fourth and fifth Johnson increased his lead slightly.

Then came the sixth and it did not seem possible that Langford could last the round out. But he did, and after that it was only a question of how much more punishment he could stand.

There were times when Johnson looked tired, but it was from his own exertions.

The Boston Globe reported the day after the fight that Langford was good and strong when the bout ended, but that there was no question about the decision being a just one, for Johnson certainly outpointed Sam. Though Sam left the ring a loser he was loudly cheered.

He left the ring without a mark while Langford’s face showed that he had been through the wars. Maffitt Flaherty refereed.”

 

Thanks Cmoyle :good

 

Langford was among the five fighters to whom I gave the worst beatings in all my career. This quintet was composed of Jim Jeffries, Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, Sailor Burke and Frank Childs.”

To his dying day in 1972, Ring editor Nat Fleischer maintained that Jack Johnson was the greatest of all the heavyweights. Understandably, Nat was eager to get to the bottom of the Johnson-Langford controversy. In his 1958 book, ’50 Years at Ringside’, Fleischer produced the testimony of his father-in-law, Dad Phillips, who allegedly saw the fight.

Said Phillips: “Jack Johnson decisively defeated Sam Langford. He was complete master of the situation. Jack so far outclassed Langford that for a time, until he purposely eased up on his onslaughts, the fight was one-sided.

“Langford was dropped twice for counts of nine, and he would have been out the first time if referee Martin Flaherty had not slowed up the count. At the end of the fight, Sam had to be taken to a hospital.

“As for Langford dropping Johnson, that’s absurd. Why, he couldn’t land on Jack.”
Sam’s alleged knockdown of Jack continued to bug Nat Fleischer, who had to find the truth from the nearest equivalent of the horse’s mouth. Nat cornered Langford’s former manager Joe Woodman and good-naturedly demanded the true version of events.
According to Fleischer, this was Woodman’s response: “You’ve got me, Nat. Langford never dropped Johnson. But I was anxious to fix up another fight between the two and, knowing Jack’s pride, I invented the story of that knockdown to goad him into the ring against Sam again.

“Although it never happened, all the newspapermen believed it. They just never took the trouble to investigate. That knockdown was just a publicity gimmick.”

Hope this lays to rest the knockdown of Johnson myth.