Langford on facing Jeannette n Johnson

I love how peope think Sam would've won.. when he got DEMOLISHED WITH EASE WHEN THEY DID MEET. That speaks volumes and should make it clear to anyone with half a brain... Johnson should be the unquestioned favorite in 1908, 1910, 1912 or anywhere around that time. The only time I would give same a decent shot was around when Williard beat him and he was 37 years old. Any other version gets destroyed by Jack, ya know, just like Jack already did once.

 

What makes you think Sam could have improved on his performance so dramatically since their first encounter ?

 

I wonder the same thing.. Not by 1911.. no way.. Jack hadn't slipped enough. No prime version of Sam beats a Prime Johnson.. No way no how. It's all just make believe stuff to think otherwise.

 

Marvin H was heavier than Johnson when they met , and by some considerable margin , he was also 5.5 inches taller than Langford.
As such he does not qualify as a small swarmer. I did not describe Langford as a simple come forward slugger , I described him as a small swarmer, which is accurate.

I find it strange that you have allowed for Langford to have improved on his performance against Johnson,[which by the way was a one sided beat down,] yet have ignored the possibility that Johnson might also have improved?
Personally I think Johnson had more scope for improvement, my reasons for this are , he had less fights than Langford when they met, and he had the frame, and height to add another 20lbs of muscle to it. Langford ,above 180lbs was tubby.

 

Fitzsimmons picked Jeffries to beat Johnson at Reno , enough said!

Langford lost in his prime to Smith,McVey, and Jeannette, he also lost, a year before this proposed matchup, to Flynn, all were inferior to Johnson.

Johnson never lost in his prime.

Langford fought Jeannette over a dozen times, and only managed to stop him once.Including 20,15 and 12 rounders.
What makes you think he would stop a defensively superior ,stronger , harder hitter than Jeannette in Johnson?
I don't see it. Langford was 5'.6.5" Johnson's best punch was his uppercut, I think he catches Langford coming in time and again, and ties him up when he is inside.

Show me a different , believable scenario.

 

there is none pre 1915... after that his chances increase but i still make johnson the favorite if sam replaced Jess

 

Let me get this logic correct here....

Jack Destroys Sam with ease (Sam admits this)
Sam fights more HW and gets more experience...
Jack just CONTINUES to fight HW and gets more experience
Sam gets bigger and better, but doesn't have ANY bigger wins than his win against Gans
Johnson also gets bigger and better, but doesn't any great wins minus Jeffries (depends on view)
Lastly, lets add the old saying at the end.. a good big guy always beats a good little guy..


The above ACTUALLY makes sense to you Bat?

 

Yes he would be several pounds larger, in 1911 he scaled between 170/180lbs and by 1911, Johnson was 208/210. 20 /25lbs larger,and also more experienced.

My point is both improved ,but Johnson was 4 inches taller and had the frame to add those 20/25lbs to his body. You talk as though , in the years between their meeting ,1906 and the projected year of their meeting ,1911 .Langford was transformed into this lethal machine ,whereas in contrast Johnson's development stood still.
Like Langford, Johnson would also have several more years experience of fighting heavyweights
So he would be a much more dangerous fighter too would he not?