Langford v Wlad?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, Sep 5, 2013.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,727
    29,077
    Jun 2, 2006
    A bridge too far for the 5' 6", Sam who was at his best around 175/180lbs? Or,can he find a way inside,avoid being entangled in those long arms and get home with some big stuff and begin a panic attack in the huge Octopus in front of him? For me talent will only take you so far when you are conceding physical advantages like the Ukrainian possesses over the relatively tiny Sam. Fred Fulton comes to mind here.
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    58,748
    21,578
    Nov 24, 2005
    Wlad destroys him.
     
    ascended likes this.
  3. Phil_Ivey_76

    Phil_Ivey_76 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,823
    175
    Aug 26, 2013
    A total mismatch!
     
    ascended likes this.
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,219
    37,956
    Aug 28, 2012
    If Langford fought today, he'd be James Toney, and James Toney couldn't beat Wlad.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,986
    48,064
    Mar 21, 2007
    Perhaps the most difficult fight possible for Langford.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,579
    27,226
    Feb 15, 2006
    If Sam Langford could read this post, he would cry with shame.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,579
    27,226
    Feb 15, 2006
    Not even close.

    Perhaps one of the worst imagineable opponents for Wlad.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,986
    48,064
    Mar 21, 2007
    Langford struggled against long opponents with exceptional jabs that boxed with great discipline. He punished aggression mercilessly. He is almost a foot shorter, out-reached by around ten inches, out-weighed by sixty pounds, is quite possibly the hardest puncher Langford ever met, certainly the best jabber he had ever met, and almost certainly the most disciplined fighter he would have ever met.

    Horrible, horrible style match up.
     
    ascended likes this.
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,579
    27,226
    Feb 15, 2006
     
  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,219
    37,956
    Aug 28, 2012
    So Langford goes something like 2 for 22 against the 6'2" Harry Wills, who frankly looks flawed and limited on the little footage there is of him, but you'd expect this fat middleweight to beat a 6'6" top ten H2H heavyweight? I hope you are joking.
     
    ascended likes this.
  11. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,519
    1,675
    Aug 18, 2012
    Early on Langford Dominated Wills. It was only when Sam aged that Wills started winning vs Langford.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,579
    27,226
    Feb 15, 2006
    A bit of context is needed here.

    Langford was pst his best when the series with Wills started, and towards the end of it Wills was beating up on an empty shell of Langford, and arguably carrying him to avoid loosing his meal ticket.

    Incredible as it might sound, Langford is one of the best heavyweight finishers of all time, not pound for pound but outright.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,986
    48,064
    Mar 21, 2007
    No.



    Larry Temple, who out-pointed Sam in 1905 "used his left to great advantage" and a moving shifting style to maintain distance and out-point Langford in 1905.

    Jack Blackburn, who always gave Langford trouble enjoys a reputation today as an exceptional left jabber.

    Jack Johnson fits the Wlad bill almost to a tee, he was one of the best jabbing heavies of his era, he was exceptionally disciplined and he had a reach advantage.

    Jeanette closed his eyes with one-twos in 1905, and in 1907 "did his best to keep Sam Langford at bay with jabs" in the drawn rematch. A long jab was twice the cornerstone for Jeanette in first beating, then drawing with Sam.

    In 1913 Gunboat Smith outpointed Sam. "Smith's tactics were to hold of his man with his left hand then swing the right." Another lengthier fighter taking advantage of that length.

    It took time, but Wills too established his jab.

    Langford beat loads of good jabbers, and lots of these men, but he was brilliant. Bang in prime though, guys were able to trouble him with this style. I'll stick my neck out and call Wlad the best of these guys generally, the best jabber, the hardest hitter.


    I'd be given to arguing this in favour of Bob Fitzsimmons, possibly, but there won't be much in it.
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,219
    37,956
    Aug 28, 2012
    Does anyone have the actual W-L-D record for Harry Wills vs Sam Langford?
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,986
    48,064
    Mar 21, 2007
    There's something to this, but the Wills-Langford series details Wills rise as much as Sam's fall. He was a baby for the era when their rivalry began, in terms of experience. Not in a million years would I expect a heavy of that tender experience to beat prime Sam.