Langford's Record Against Opponents his Own Size

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very nice, thank you.


    My impression was always that Walcott was lucky in getting away with a draw against Langford - and also that he was a little lucky in getting away with a draw against Gans. Both times his aggressiveness seems to have saved him. I suspect the Demon would have dropped the decision in most other eras, but that is neither here nor thtere
     
  2. McGrain

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    Totally agree with this aswell.

    Not sure that the 20 rounder would ever have come off though.
     
  3. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    fantastic additions:good really appreciate the contempoary accounts
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Two interesting ,and informative posts, which ,added to my knowledge thank you.
     
  5. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes but don't forget that Walcott broke his arm in this fight. The fact that he was able to duel evenly with Gans with a broken arm speaks volumes about the man :good
     
  6. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for the info, Clay! Always great to have our resident Langford expert lurking about.
     
  7. Cmoyle

    Cmoyle Active Member Full Member

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    You're welcome. I tried to send a huge amount of information about the Ketchel - Langford fight, but it was over 4,000 words and the posting limit is 1,000. I was too lazy to chop it up and send it in 5 separate posts. But the bulk of that information is in one chapter of the book anyway, and I guess I should instead encourage those who haven't purchased the book to get it that way anyway, eh?
     
  8. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyone who hasn't read your book is missing out on a priceless bit of boxing history. It's invaluable for educating oneself on Langford and the era in general. Indispensable.
     
  9. Jorodz

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    feel like an ******* for asking but what book is this? I feel like i should know it but im damn interested
     
  10. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clay's book on Sam Langford. You can get it on Amazon. It's a purchase you won't regret.
     
  11. Jorodz

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    :thumbsupword up
     
  12. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn right it's got pride of place right in the middle of the eye level shelf in my boxing bookshelf - a brilliant brilliant book - and Sam Langford - well he was just totally out of this world - a fistic marvel :happy
     
  13. Jorodz

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    so, was there anyone at langfords weight that seemed to have his measure?

    greb was well fast his best days, but perhaps tiger flowers would always trouble him.

    did langford have a true rival?
     
  14. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His best fighting weight was around middleweight or light heavy. About 165 I'd say (though I defer to Clay). I'd say no, he didn't have a rival at that weight. He was feared by everyone. I have a copy of a letter written by a boxing man who once asked Harry Greb while he was working on the heavy bag why he never fought Langford. Greb supposedly laughed and said "Do you want me to commit suicide?" That says a lot.

    Here's a poem that was written at the time. It gives a good glimpse into what kind of regard Langford was held back then:

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," said Stanley K.,
    "Britt has taken me away
    And I'm signed to do a play.
    Then I'm going to the hay.
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," said Jack the Twin,
    "I am careful of my chin
    And I'm pretty near all in,
    And suicide's a sin.
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," is Papke's wail,
    "I'm a lily white and pail
    And my life is not for sale;
    Why I'd sooner go to jail.
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," said Kid McCoy,
    "I'm a pretty game old boy,
    But this unrefined employ
    I will leave for hoi polloi.
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," said poor old Fitz,
    "Though I'd fight for just six bits
    Still I haven't lost my wits;
    I'll preserve my speckled mits.
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," said Hugo Kelly,
    "He would pound me to a jelly
    And I'd lose some vermicalli.
    Not for me. What ta helli?
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," said Joe da Grim,
    "I no like to fight with him
    Cause he shutta up my glim
    And da chances are to slim.
    I'll notta fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not I," Al Kaufman said,
    "You are crazy in the head.
    Chase yourself and go to bed.
    I ain't anxious to be dead.
    I'll not fight Sam Langford."

    Who'll fight Sam Langford?
    "Not us," the low brows cried
    And they turned around to hide.
    "Nix; the color line is wide,
    And we're going to stay inside.
    We'll not fight Sam Langford."
     
  15. Surf-Bat

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    These are some pretty heavy endorsements:

    "I think Langford was the greatest fighter we ever had." - Jack Dempsey

    "The greatest fighter of them all, bar none, was Sam Langford." - Harry Wills

    "Langford was the greatest fighter who ever lived. Sam would have been champion any time Johnson had given him a fight, and Johnson knew it better than anybody. Man! How that baby could hit. Nobody could hit like that. Well, maybe Joe Louis could, but don't forget that Sam only weighed about 160 pounds. Louis was about 195." - Joe Jeannette

    "Who's the best fighter I ever saw? That's an easy one. Sam Langford and nobody ever came close to being as good as he was at his peak." - Gunboat Smith

    "Now there was a fighter for you. Sam Langford! Yes, sir, in my book he was just about the greatest of them all." - Abe Attell

    "Sam was about the best fighting man I have ever watched." - Grantland Rice

    "Sam Langford was the greatest fighter, pound for pound, who ever lived." - Hype Igoe

    "Langford was probably the best the ring ever saw." - Joe Williams

    "Sam Langford was the greatest fighter of the time." - Hugh McIntosh