Larry Holmes calls Fury & aj amateurs

But we're taking Tim from that specific bout, not from his later bouts when he'd had time to season.

What does Tim do in the Holmes fight that's so valuable to modern heavyweights?

 

AJ could have a much better jab though to be fair I think it’s improving. He did not need to lose to Ruiz to know that lateral movement is an essential tool for an athletic heavyweight like himself. What happened to AJ in part is becoming a champion before you are fully formed as a fighter. It was the right financial decision when he became champion ahead of schedule against Martin but he became champion and was still very much a work in progress. Also you need to have championship mentality at all times. As for Fury conditioning is sometimes atrocious which a real professional like Big Larry could never be faulted. Also Fury consistency levels can be poor. When Larry was floored it was against dynamite punchers some of the most devastating ever like Mike Weaver and Shavers and the talented elegant Reinaldo Mr Snipes. Larry learned his trade the old fashioned way go to spar in training camps with betters guys like Ali, Frazier etc and really learning his craft so that when he fought against the great Kenny Norton at his peak Larry at 29 years old was ready and he had to be. This generation are a bit softer not just fighters society as a whole. Tyson Fury has good ring intelligence and AJ’s is improving but neither on par with Holmes to be honest.

I don’t know what would happen Mike Tyson at his best and Larry Holmes at his best but we do know what Iron Mike thinks who is so knowledgeable about boxing so much so than other fighters. Holmes jab could make opponents drunk.

 

I think we are talking at cross purposes because that it not what I am saying.

 

Holmes always had a big mouth and showed no respect for other boxers, that's why it was so satisfying to see this:

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Compared to him, they are. His technique all-around (not just the jab) puts the whole current heavyweight division's to shame.

 

...but in this case he does happen to be right.

 

Lol, ok.

 

Fury has 6 inches height advantage over Holmes, has faster feet, faster hands. He shuts Holmes out 12-0. There's just no way Holmes is "outboxing" Fury. In a way, Holmes is a similar fighter to Wlad, methodical, good jab, although much more fluid, but he's also giving up an additional 3 inches on top of what Wlad had to give up.

When AJ decided to "box" against Ruiz, Ruiz the much better but shorter boxer couldn't do anything about it. Quite simply, if you're a "boxer", and a much taller, longer guy decides to box you with decent skills, it becomes very hard to play their game. You will have to go in and make the fight, but that wasn't Holmes style. And AJ isn't exactly a world-class outboxer.

 

Exactly spot on.

 

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I think your comments show your ignorance Height and reach don’t determine the outcomes of fight skills do. Wladimir is not Big Larry Holmes and to make that comparison is highly disrespectful to Big Jack himself.

 

Once again:

Wlad was old, but he was a great, reigning champion, and Fury gets full credit for unseating him.

Wilder was limited, but he was probably better than at least half of the guys Holmes defended against.

Chisora, Cunngham, Hammer, and Wallin would all have been good enough to be Larry Holmes title defenses.

I have **** on no one but Holmes for running his mouth now while running from good fights when he had the belt. And he deserves it.

He is still building his resume you stupid mother ****er. He has already beaten two of the three main rivals of his era and is targeting the third.

Not only did he not fight the best, but he bragged about not fighting the best. HE thought it was great that he could fight barfighters for big money.

There is no excuse to be made, you stupid ****. He has fought two of the three main rivals of his era, and is going after the third.

He didn't duck a rematch, you idiot. He couldn't pass his drug tests because he was on cocaine.

They are called tune-up fights, idiot. He bascially rolled off the couch, had two tune-ups, and beat your fantasy man.

You are a one in a million dumb****. We all know from your other posts that you love and probably fantasize about Wilder. You aren't fooling anyone dummy.

If he beats Joshua he leaps past Holmes, who abandoned a title in fear rather than face a rival.

That is the point you nutsacklicker. His career is just hitting a stride and it is stupid to even talk about him in any kind of historical context. Then again, you are stupid.

 

His problem in the Ruiz fight wasn't that he lacked championship mentality but that he got hurt and couldn't recover. His body gave out on him. I agree with the rest of your assessment.

Holmes's conditioning was often inconsistent as well. And he had a habit of taking certain fighters lightly, which led to harder than expected contests. He was no Wlad in this regard.

So Wlad and Wilder couldn't hit harder than Mike Weaver and Reynaldo Snipes? Sorry, but WTF planet are you on?

All fighters learn by sparring. Why do you think that's changed?

Wlad sparred a ton of this current crop.

Tyson's ring intelligence is already a level above Holmes's. Holmes is incredibly overrated in this regard.

Tyson and Foreman are probably the most generous of that era of guys towards other fighters. I doubt either man would be so dismissive of this current generation and probably a lot more realistic of their chances.

 

So what are you saying here? Because I'm directly critiquing Holmes's poor performance against a green Witherspoon, not an assessment of Witherspoon's overall career achievements.

 

Larry Holmes defended his world title 20 times, 8 straight by ko. How many defenses has fury made? But let’s talk about the couple of guys he didn’t just go in there and shred...get that weak **** outta here.