Larry Holmes decisions Cassius Clay.

Lesson: "When Bodhi is in a corner he will try to turn the tables and conveniently forget about points he put forth earlier that he now sees no longer floats.":blurp

This is what you said:

So, you not only said that his 70's opposition was tougher (which is true), but you also suggested that Terrell being Ali's third best win of the 60's shows that his opposition during these years was poor.

Now give me any other HW champion whose third best defence was a fighter who had gone unbeaten for 5 years and had come close to cleaning out the division (Doug Jones, George Chuvalo, Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Bob Foster, and Cleveland Williams).

 

The whole discussion was in the context of comparing Ali´s 60s and 70s opposition. You should keep this in mind and not take a quote out of context. :good

 

Ha, ha, ha. Just love your wriggling. But it's all good.

By the way, Liston (version Ali beat)>Walcott (against Louis and Marciano respectively), Patterson (version Ali beat) at least equal with Moore against Marciano and Baer against Louis.

 

Whatever ... :roll:

 

Who don't you think is overrated then? Floyd Patterson and Max Schemling?

 

Plenty.

 

You floundered pretty bad in this thread. Nobody would ever make the case that Ali's record in the 60's is better than the 70's. And that's not what you were originally arguing. I tend to think Ali's 60's comp largely gets ignored or lesser regarded than it should because of how spectacular the 70's were.

 

I have to say these great vs great comparisons are rarely worth the effort. After all, who isn't biased in favour of either of these fighters? Ali-Tyson is probably the worst though. Both fighters are loved and hated to the point where almost no one can be objective about it

 

Yes it was. Follow the argument. When people start interpretating other things they think I meant instead of what I actually wrote, it´s their little problem, not mine.

Ali´s 60s resume and accomplishments are good enough to get him into atg rankings all by itself IMO. Just not good enough for the very top, i.e. Top5. Add his 70s´work and you have a fighter who is - outside of Joe Louis - head and shoulders above the rest.

 

You are not alone. I tend to agree with people who thinks that Alis main weapon was his craft not physical ability.

 

I see. Still don't know why you would say something like that. It's common knowledge.

By the way, your originally point was 60's Ali was overrated. Any reasoning toward that opinion? Who beats this Ali. Is anyone favored against him in a 10 fight series? Thanks...

 

By the way, I agree with the computer. At least I have no problems with the computer having a 1979 Holmes beat a 1964 Ali. Prime versus prime is another story.

By the way, does Larry Holmes by any chance own this computer? Just curious...

 

Follow the argument.

Well, he could be knocked down and hurt and didn´t show he had the craft and will like he did in the 70s. He could be catched. I think prime Frazier and Marciano beat him more often than not. I also think Dempsey and Tyson do too. Louis too btw.

I think he has an easier time with Foreman and would beat Holmes and Johnson though. I also think he beats Lewis and Holyfield pretty clearly.

I think Walcott would be a very interesting and tricky opponent for him. He probably beats Charles, Schmeling and Wlad pretty easily.

And of course he beat Patterson and Liston.

I´m a bit drunk right now so if I overlooked someone or made some mistakes in terms of grammatic or punctuation or so: sorry.