Larry Holmes destroys Muhammad Ali

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  1. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojBJ9pfFwXs

    People get caught up into much in how shot Ali was and forget how good Holmes was in this fight. Perfect lighting rod jab, quick rapid fire punches. He fought the perfect fight. Holmes would have beaten most men on this night.
    The next year Ali 20 pounds heavier competed well with Berbick.
    Nobody took it to Ali like Holmes did.
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And here come the 40,000 posts of protest.......

    :roll:
     
  3. mr. magoo

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    He did look sharp and fit in that fight. Few people would have beaten the Holmes of 1980. But we shouldn't factor the job that he did on Ali too much into the equation as the " greatest" was no longer great by then.
     
  4. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    C'mon...Ali was a walking dummy in boxing terms that night.
    Larry great fighter no doubt...but nonsense to use this "fight" as a yardstick.
     
  5. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali also looked at his sharpest against Brian London. However,Brian was far from being Muhammad's greatest opponent. Same applies to Holmes and that version of Ali he fought.



    It was mentioned that Ali was competitive against Trevor Berbick the year after the Holmes fight,and he certainly was but he was in slightly better form than he was against Holmes. In the Berbick bout,Muhammad was actually throwing punches.
     
  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes is great no doubt, but in regards to ops post, one of the reasons he looked great in that particular fight was the fact that his opponent was shot, had been through brutal wars and was suffering from Parkinson's at the time, not to mention he was also taking thyroid pills.

    ffs Bruce Seldon probably could have done a job on that Ali

    its just as relevant as me saying Tyson destroys any version of Holmes.
     
  7. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ya and look what larrys 38 yr old lighting quick jab did too mike tyson...not much:hi:
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I think it's all too easy to lose sight of either of these equally true statements and want to lean too far in the opposing direction based on whether your agenda is to give or withhold as much credit to Holmes as possible.

    Objectively speaking, it was still a creditable victory and impressive performance despite Ali being a shell of himself, which he undoubtedly was.
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree that Larry Holmes was at the pinnacle point of his career. But his performance against a completely diminished and faded opponent is not what I would base this on.
     
  10. clark

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    Also, before that fight, Ali was ordered by the Nevada Boxing Commission to visit the Mayo clinic for a neurological exam. The results (not made public) were:

    Muhammad Ali was a little off when he tried to touch his finger to his nose.
    He had trouble coordinating his speech and
    the fight legend couldn't hop on one foot well.

    The fight never should have happened.
     
  11. detamour

    detamour Guest

    Ali, was brain damaged by the shavers fight. This was confirmed to ferdie by a ny doctor after the fight!!
     
  12. Vinegar Hill

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    The re-writing of history on here by people with an obvious agenda sometimes reaches astonishing proportions.
    In other cases though it's just plain lack of intelligence.
     
  13. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    true i forgot to mention that, Ali was unable to touch his own nose.

    if anything Holmes was in a much better place when he fought Tyson than when Ali fought Holmes
     
  14. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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  15. gentleman jim

    gentleman jim gentleman jim Full Member

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    Put Larry in with a prime Ali (which we never actually saw due to the 3 yrs of forced inactivity) and I think we'd have a different outcome. It's ludicrous to gauge Holmes' greatness by his performance against a zombie with boxing gloves on which is pretty much what Ali was that night. He's lucky he made it out of the ring alive.